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Mis-Strikes....off-Set V's Off-Centre.

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 Posted 01/28/2008  9:30 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add farnbycoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all, wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the correct usage of these 2 terms when dealing with Mis-struck coins.
Since collecting these, from the definitions gleaned from here and there, I have been referring to coins with a slight mis-strike( only slightly mis-struck, no denticles missing, with a small lip on the rim) as off-sets.
I have been using the term off-centre for coins with a mis-struck, where the coin was only partly resting within the coining chamber at striking, missing part or all of the edge reeding.

Here's a couple examples of what I mean,

What I was calling off-set Mis-Strikes....off-Set-V's-Off-Centre.

What I call an on off-center Mis-Strikes....off-Set-V's-Off-Centre.

I have also seen coins with a rotation referred to as an offset, so just wanted to get my terminology right. Can someone help please.
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 Posted 01/29/2008  03:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The way I understand it is an off centre coin will have the same appearance both sides, ie it's off centre on both sides. An offset has the appearance of a partial 2nd rim & only appears on one side of the coin.

Rotated coins are more commonly called 'upsets' in Australia.

There's another minting error that occurs & the end result looks like an offset, but the edge also has milling missing and it's called a 'tilted partial collar'.

Hopefully someone with a bit more know how than me will come along & give you a better description.
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01/29/2008 03:12 am
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 Posted 01/30/2008  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thesandpit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your terminology is non-standard, farnbycoins.
Your first example is not an off centre strike. The planchet has been struck in the centre but the obverse die is slightly off-centre. It is reasonably common, particularly on $1 and $2 coins, and very common in some years (e.g. BOTH dies on the 2004 MOR dollar and the obverse die on the 2000 $1/10c mule). The only predecimal example of this that I know of is the 1946 Perth shilling, which has a huge obverse die offset. It is extremely rare and I have only heard of two examples.
The second example you show appears to be a partial collar. The planchet is not fully engaged by the collar so that you get a partial impression of the milling with the metal squeezing out in the region where there is no milling. The collar is often tilted on decimal coins but not always.
Other examples are ramstrike (where the planchet is off-centre but is forced into the collar resulting in milling appearing across one face of the coin) and broadstrike where the collar is not engaged at all.
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 Posted 01/31/2008  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add farnbycoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much thesandpit, this helps me no end. I have been discussing this with a few collectors over the past few days, and the responses have been wide and varied. Your info is by far the most understandable I have read to date, and am very appreciative you posted.

This clears it up for me now, but if by chance you could post pics of a ramstrike and Broardstrike, It would be absolutely terrific.
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 Posted 01/31/2008  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gnome to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can help with the pics,.... predecimals alright.

Broadstrike
Mis-Strikes....off-Set-V's-Off-Centre.

Ramstrike
Mis-Strikes....off-Set-V's-Off-Centre.
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 Posted 02/01/2008  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add farnbycoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for those pictures gnome, very nice,
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 Posted 02/02/2008  12:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gnome to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your welcome.
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