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 Posted 12/26/2015  8:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Oldephriam to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have never been onto error coins so I don't know much about them. Is this a lamination error?

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 Posted 12/26/2015  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob Levi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes a lam. And nice rim to rim one.
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 Posted 12/26/2015  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OcalaFlorida to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find !
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 Posted 12/27/2015  03:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a very nice lam! The coin is not too pretty, though.
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 Posted 12/28/2015  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find. I added it to my image library.
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It showed the ghost image after the peel happened. That shows it isn't damage to the coin, but a lamination error.
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 Posted 12/30/2015  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice find.....Black Beauty for sure...but a little rough.
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 Posted 12/30/2015  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is just a toned silver lamination. Not a black beauty.
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 Posted 12/30/2015  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Coop I stand corrected but I thought a black beauty was a lamination error? Someone has to shed some light on this for me because I need some information on this. Looking at it closely now I can see the toning (nasty looking) now.
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 Posted 12/30/2015  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The way I see it, a black beauty is a coin which has toned to a very dark color, rather than the gunmetal grey you see on War Nickels.
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 Posted 12/30/2015  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Otay did some quick research and found this information form collector's alliance:
hese Jefferson nickels minted in 1958, are utterly unique rarities. Reason being - both obverse and reverse are black.

When discovered, they were understandably nicknamed "Black Beauties" in homage to the midnight tones of this one of a kind piece.

The distinctive black finish comes from an improperly handled annealing process. Annealing is the process of heating the planchet to ready it for striking. The planchets are then placed in a large furnace warmed by gas heaters to "relax" the metal. They are then passed through a washing solution to remove tarnish, which gives the planchets (coins) the familiar "BU" (Brilliant Uncirculated) finish.

If anyone can add something to this so I can be better informed please do so.
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 Posted 12/30/2015  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
hese Jefferson nickels minted in 1958, are utterly unique rarities. Reason being - both obverse and reverse are black.

I'm afraid I don't quite follow.
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 Posted 12/30/2015  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ Numisma Now I'm really confused I do agree with you somewhat but I would really appreciated it if anyone can shed some light on this subject because now I am confused!
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 Posted 12/30/2015  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was just telling it how I see it, although I don't know if I'm correct.
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 Posted 12/30/2015  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldephriam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BTTB, you are basically right about the "Black Beauty" nickel. I only found out about these coins in the past few months and have only done limited research about them. The only correction I have for your information is that there seems to be some certified BB's from other years (mid 50's to 1959) although I am not absolutely certain about this.

My coin, pictured above is most certainly not a black beauty. I inherited it from my parents estate and I have had it for a few years. It was stored in an old Whitman folder for an unknown amount of time. Like I said before, I'm not really into error coins but I did want to verify that this was really a lamination error. The true color of the coin is much lighter than the photo shows, this is just a result of my poor photography skills.

I intend to add a Black Beauty to my collection when I find a worthy example. They seem to run about $50 to $100.
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 Posted 12/31/2015  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
War Nickels tend to tone like that due to the .009 manganese content, which I suppose was added so the coins would have the same weight and electromagnetic signature as the CuNi issues (correct me if I'm wrong). Thanks for the info on BBs, Oldephriam.
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 Posted 01/02/2016  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your input and as you intend to do Oldephriam I intend to do the same thing. I have seen 1 or 2 certified on ebay .
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