1 Rouble 1921 Soviet Union Russia Ruble Silver

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coincombinat_ Valued Member Austria 53 Posts	Posted 12/30/2015 3:42 pm * Edited by Staff to add YouTube tags. [youtube][/youtube] Please use them in the future. We prefer embedded video. * WdYHh2669O8 Report this Post to the Staff

swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 12/30/2015 5:00 pm coincombinat_ What is the question? Is the coin genuine? If so I have some concerns. Is the method of display in a video adequate? Not really although I was able to stop motion at several angles which has some advantages. I would ideally like to know the accurate weight and density of the coin. I would also like to see still photos of both sides and the edge to see if it was properly struck. The 1921 Rouble is a coin most often seen as a forgery. Genuine examples are difficult to locate. I did notice a potential problem with the appearance of the raised rim and the presence of what look like collar chips on both sides of the coin. Details are sharp better than the typical forgeries of a few years ago, but the newest forgeries are better and often have die luster because they are struck from false dies. Edited by swamperbob 12/30/2015 5:01 pm Report this Post to the Staff
gxseries Pillar of the Community Australia 3831 Posts	Posted 12/30/2015 11:43 pm As far as I am concerned, this is genuine. While counterfeits are known, this is a very common coin compared to 1922 ruble. Counterfeit types of this particular type are often sold in VF condition to attempt to lower suspicion. My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseries My numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htm Regularly updated at least once a month. Report this Post to the Staff
coincombinat_ Valued Member Austria 53 Posts	Posted 12/31/2015 06:16 am you are right gxseries - of course this is an genuine coin Report this Post to the Staff
wonghinghi Pillar of the Community Hong Kong 1270 Posts	Posted 12/31/2015 09:47 am Judging a coin is real or not from a video is far difficult than some enlarged pictures. I don't feel it is a genuine coin. Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 12/31/2015 12:20 pm If the question is authenticity, I would prefer to see large in focus photographs of both sides and the edge. Take edge pictures on a slight angle so that the face of the coin shows as well. gxseries While the coin looks good and I agree that most forgeries are sold worn - I have seen "AU-MS" forgeries of this date. I have looked at the video several times using stop motion to get a look at still pictures and I am not yet convinced that the corners of the coin (face to edge intersections) are correct. I am also quite suspicious of the font and application method of the edge lettering. Report this Post to the Staff
coincombinat_ Valued Member Austria 53 Posts	Posted 12/31/2015 1:28 pm thank you very much swamperbob. but I have no questions I just want to show this beautiful coin Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 12/31/2015 2:13 pm OK fine. Most folks post coins with a comment. Report this Post to the Staff
coincombinat_ Valued Member Austria 53 Posts	Posted 12/31/2015 2:24 pm please forgive me i´m new here Report this Post to the Staff
Skippypnb Valued Member 59 Posts	Posted 12/31/2015 4:28 pm The 1921 Rouble is a coin most often seen as a forgery. Genuine examples are difficult to locate. SwamperBob said: I did notice a potential problem with the appearance of the raised rim and the presence of what look like collar chips on both sides of the coin. Details are sharp better than the typical forgeries of a few years ago, but the newest forgeries are better and often have die luster because they are struck from false dies. Bob, I'm impressed! I did not realize you were an expert on Russian coinage. Thought just 8 Reales. Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 12/31/2015 5:31 pm I am not an expert on Russian coinage I am a specialist in Mexican coinage - but my time with ebay taught me a lot about counterfeits from most every country. When a counterfeit appears dozens of times you get to know the market. Russian forgeries are as big an epidemic as the Chinese types. To detect forgeries you really do not need to know the specific coin involved as long as you recognize how genuine copies were made. The principles of Counterfeit Detection transcend national boundaries or specific coin types. Closed collar strikes show features of their manufacture - these features can not be copied successfully onto pressure cast coins. (At least not so far - economically.) So an authenticator looks for the differences. On crude early counterfeits these mistakes will appear everywhere but on better quality numismatic forgeries the designs will be CORRECT. So you need not look at the design. You look for how the coin was made. That is really the method of detection that authenticators actually use and it has been since I learned the trade in 1976. Report this Post to the Staff
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