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1823 British Half Crown

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 Posted 01/02/2016  1:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
What do folks think about this 1823 Half Crown?

The photos are the seller's.

Thanks.

1823-British-Half-Crown

1823-British-Half-Crown
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 Posted 01/02/2016  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Old cleaning and best avoided.
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 Posted 01/02/2016  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is the evidence of cleaning the dark spots in the lettering? I was wondering about that.
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 Posted 01/03/2016  03:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VF.
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This coin is at least EF in the British system.
There IS wear on the highest points of the design, but not much. There is wear on the tips of the leaves of the wreath on the King's head.
The wear is masked a bit by the patina.

Sharper pictures would help to grade more accurately, but so far, AU 50-55 (Sheldon) is OK to my eye.

I would not abandon this coin just because I might declare that it may have suffered from 'old cleaning'.

It would take a very happily take a place in my VF - Unc type set of British Half Crowns, which is complete as far back as George 11. It is a better coin than my example of this type.
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 Posted 01/03/2016  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add econrad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm gonna say XF Details.
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 Posted 01/03/2016  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paul Bulgerin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the responses. I lost this auction with the coin selling for $168. I've been trying to figure out if I should be kicking myself for not bidding more, or relieved that I didn't win a problem coin.
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 Posted 01/03/2016  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Paul,
I think you lost out, I rarely seen this coin as nice as this one.

I think £270 would be a reasonable price.
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Not a big fan of the toning on this one. I find entirely unappealing the irregular dark splotches on underlying grey.

I too am seeking one of this type, but I would hold out for a better example. I say better to pay full price on a coin that you will prize forever than a bargain on one which you won't. Patience is key!
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I would agree the GPP 270 is a reasonable price.
Philosophically my attitude that I may have missed out would be "".
I normally bid low at public auction with the expectation that I will miss out, which usually turns out to be what happens.
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 Posted 01/08/2016  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice one, I don't see anything that would imply it was cleaned, looks like luster under the toning. NGC would likely give it a au50 lowest, and Ef, maybe Ef+ British. Quite difficult to find examples like that ungraded as of late.
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I see this as an EF to AU coin. I know they are pretty hard to come by in any decent grade, but looking at the completed listings for the type, you did pretty well to stop bidding where you did. I think given time and patience, you will find a worthy piece for your collection.
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I'm see quite a bit of wear over the entire coin. The lower part by the date looks like it was smashed flat and the coin was misshaped a bit. I tend to grade low, but if mine I would give it a grade of VF-30.
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