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Bizarre Old Slabbed Morgan - Anyone Ever Heard Of Usnaf?

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A very overpriced, possibly cleaned MS63 or so common date Morgan -- but that's not what I found interesting --

In a holder from something called United States Numismatic Arts Foundation (!)

Never heard of this or seen one in many years of collecting.

Looks like they were trying to create a new grading system based on point values mapped to old ANA equivalents.

Holder appears to be a sports-card style lucite screw down type.

Anyone know anything about this company, or its slabs?
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Interesting. Quite an odd slab.
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Interesting for sure. The holder looks like a Capital Plastics holder, but the certificate is unique. Am sure Conder has heard of them. Interesting point system. At least dipped, and overpriced. The white gloves are a nice touch though
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What a weird, cool holder. Google wasn't terribly helpful, but I did find this bit of info from a "Copyright Encyclopedia" website:

Bizarre-Old-Slabbed-Morgan---Anyone-Ever-Heard-Of-Usnaf?

If you could track down John W. Blumhofer, I bet you'd find out the story behind these.
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Looks like that seller has got all sorts of coins in oddball slabs. Several of them I've never heard of or seen on ebay before. Very interesting...
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Wow, where'd this guy find all these. Conder is gonna have some fun when he see this
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This is the first time I have seen this type of holder...

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This is the first time I have seen this type of holder...


If you displayed the reverse side of this coin, you could call it a "tombstone slab," which is much classier than "toilet-bowl slab."
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I would just call it a Horseshoe slab and I think most others would too. Tombstone would be cool if it was inverted for sure
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Here she be..

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See, now that would be way cool with the proper coin orientation

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From looking over all the weird slab companies represented, it's possible this person intentionally purchased all kinds of different slabs. He might have been specifically after the weird slabs as his own 'most strange' type of coin collecting.

Just what we need - another kind of coin collecting...
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From looking over all the weird slab companies represented, it's possible this person intentionally purchased all kinds of different slabs. He might have been specifically after the weird slabs as his own 'most strange' type of coin collecting.


I agree, moxking, either the seller once collected slabs from different third party grading services, or he bought someone else's collection for resale.
I was just happy not to see any slabs for sale from centsles' National Numismatic Certification (NNC) service.
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He's been selling them for years, I've bought a couple items from him. Unfortunately he's well aware of what is odd and rare and so there's nothing CHEAP... sob sob.

As for MCGS there are actually TWO forms of the label (one slab type) and yes Condor is aware of them.

USNAF is new to me, but it's not really a slab or a photo cert, just a piece of paper in a Cap Plastics holder.

In the discussion about FCS (here: https://goccf.com/t/32990&whichpage=135#2039176) the extract from Conder's book which mentioned INL was quoted. I think I posted the INL cert I found about the same time on one of those other boards.
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The slab is possibly worth more than the coin. It has some value for those who collect slabs rather than coins.

Notice that there are FOUR grades that parallel to MS70!
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