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 Posted 01/09/2016  9:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kenw to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
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I'm new and have acquired an 1859 canadadian cent and have done everything to disprove my thinking its brass. I believe it is STILL. but don't know how to proceed. IT is in EF-AU condition but discoloring light like on an old rifle cartridge. what can someone expect ? What are they worth? I found no information when I searched. And who should I contact? thank you

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 Posted 01/09/2016  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Take it to a large coin or bullion dealer that has an XRF, and asked them if they would xray the coin for you. M aybe someone in a local coin club will have access to such machine.
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 Posted 01/09/2016  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
kenw, you will find a well of knowledge at CCF. There are many large cent collectors in the first forum. I am sure someone will help you out.
This would get more answers in the first Canadian forum, as here in the nclt forum we talk about recent collector coins and not the circulation variety.

Another possibility is posting a photo in the variety forum. The large cents are beautiful coins to collect.
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 Posted 01/10/2016  05:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you can post clear, untouched photos here, there are a great many people who can help you. Searching through the archives of 3-4 main coin sites will also show you a great deal since this subject has been covered many many times. If it is the color of a rifle cartridge, then I would suspect that it has been cleaned at some time with any one of a hundred common cleansing agents and is bronze.
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 Posted 01/12/2016  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unruhjonny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know if there is a source to cite a clear way of determining the composition...

but maybe this hel;ps get you started: http://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins...nt-1858-1859
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 Posted 01/12/2016  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The moderator here (SPP) and I, with a little help from friends, did some comprehensive study/research into the brass cents .. and wrote a lengthy article about it in the Canadian Numismatic Journal over a year ago. SPP also has access to the XRF that we used to get the exact alloy compositions on well over 500 (all mine)1859 cents. Maybe someone could find out when it actually was and you can get your hands on one .. it should be in the archives. But, still, posting a photo would go a long way to clearing up your big question mark
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 Posted 01/12/2016  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unruhjonny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since I have (virtually) just started my Canadian Large cent collection (I have examples of 1906-1920, but nothing from 1095 & prior where all the varieties exist), I would also be interested in reading this article.
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 Posted 01/12/2016  3:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Must join RCNA to see articles.
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 Posted 01/12/2016  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unruhjonny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I mean no offence, but at $45/year, and little to no return on my money, that probably isn't happening any time soon.

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 Posted 01/12/2016  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add viper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is in the March 2012 issue volume 57 #2 if you can get your hands on one. Very informative!!

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I mean no offence, but at $45/year, and little to no return on my money, that probably isn't happening any time soon.


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Thanks for the tip Viper... all the back issues I believe are available online....

As for $45 a year ... this is my take on it at least... I have bought an issue of some U.S. coin magazines in the past... I've occasionally bought a CCN paper each were around $6 and $4 respectively. I don't really care that much what a coin is worth, and most price guides which occupy the majority of the pages of the previously mentioned periodicles don't really change that much from year to year. (So buying just one for the prices is good enough for me) The articles I find are usually about modern issues and I have no interest in those.

I find the RCNA articles to be very interesting. I love the fact that I can read all the RCNA back issues. (The very first back issue I read was the back issue when I was born.... ironically they were talking about some of the same issues we talk about now... issues with grading & counterfiets!)

So for $4.50 and issue (10 issues) I get to be a member of my national numismatic association, I get to read some fantastic articles, I learn about some cool shows and dealers across this country, I have access to all the back issues AND their very impressive library I can borrow books, videos and slides from? Winner winner chicken dinner!

When I played poker I never questioned spending $50 to $100 bucks on a book if I thought it might improve my game... over time the knowledge would pay for itself in pots won. For books on coins and periodicles that educate I feel the same way... If I'm better informed I will make better choices with what and how I collect which also may derrive better value later on down the line..
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It's funny on what we see value in and where we don't know what we could find value in. I thought there was little value in printed reference books for a long time, considering how much free information was available. After picking up my first copy of Charelton's, I am not sure how I survived before hand. I use it all the time, truly a good investment.

I have not gone the RCNA route yet, but I think this will be the year, I see far too many references to interesting articles on this forum.
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 Posted 01/12/2016  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialtokens to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am a life member of both the RCNA and ANA. I have the complete run
of the CNA Journals and a set of the mimeographs which predated the Journals.
These are a terrific read and packed with lifetimes of great information.
Much can be gleaned by studying what has already been done rather than re-
inventing the wheel.

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 Posted 01/13/2016  02:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Okie you have 500 1859 large cents. How do you store them. It must of taken you a long time to collect so many of one date! I was thinking of starting a collection of rainbow toned 1971-1973 silver dollars.

Then I started thinking I would be insane getting 25 coins of the same date. I feel better now!! I am thinking of joining the association, as I love to read and learn. Plus $45 doesn't buy much nowadays. Are the journal in hardcopy or just digital.
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 Posted 01/13/2016  06:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I actually have over 1000 1859's. We only needed a little short of 600 (I think) to provide an adequate sample size to get meaningful population data and stats.
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