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1880 5 Cent Silvers..2 Very Different Varieties

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Here are 2 nice examples of the 1880 5 cent silver coins.

The first coin shows a very low relief portrait that came from the specimen dies. Take note of the flat thicker eye lid and the general flat appearance of the obv and rev.

Business strikes continued after the specimens were struck...OF-3 and RF-3


Any feedback or added info on these or any other varieties greatly appreciated.



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This second example shows a completely different obverse and this is easily seen in the roundish slope of the forehead.
OF-2 and RF-3


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Very nice coins DEVLEC, you must be very happy to have them for your collection. Thanks for sharing with us.
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Great examples of the 1880 5 cent pieces. I could only wish mine were as nice as this. That obv2 is pretty hard to find in any grade, let alone in such a high quality. I've noticed the coins you've displayed show a distinctive toning that I find very attractive. Do you look for coins with a certain tone or have they became this way while you've had them?

Do you mind telling us what that obv2 graded?
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Yes Strach-Man ..the hunt goes on for more varieties..but I'll never get them all..


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Do you mind telling us what that obv2 graded?


Sorry...I resist in throwing their old #'s out anymore..not really relevant in today's attempts at "market grading" as SPP says...

They are both graded more than choice though...and these 2 coins speak for themselves..even if I can't get perfect pics for the first coin because of that reflective double plastic..

I prefer some of the toned silvers that I have,..
.. and they went into those holders so very long ago.. but the toning has not changed on them..

Most of mine are toned to some extent..



These were graded by ICCS a long time ago (80's and 90's) when they were conservative..but are still an appropriate grade for them in these holders.

It would be grand to see a few of the other varieties from the back of the 2010 Charlton.

There are 7 listed there..

Does anyone have another Charlton example to share with us here..?
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I'm no expert on 5 cent silver, but what little I know and have been taught I would have to say a high grade. The details on the coins are excellent for a silver tiny coin. Just think how tiny the Hub would of been.
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Both coins with same variete multidots

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Love the obverse 'pull-away' toning on that Obv 3 Devlec...
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Welcome Spix.
You should have started a new thread for your coins rather than tack them on to this one. You'll get more interest that way.
It's cool that you found two coins from the same reverse die.
Die chips aren't really a variety, they are errors.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
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Love the obverse 'pull-away' toning on that Obv 3 Devlec...


..from another site..on pull-away toning...


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This phenomenon is not present on all UNC toned coins. And some types of coins never seem to have it (such as Peace dollars). It is all about how the planchets are prepared (annealing temperature, trace elements, chemical environment).

From my experience in minting, I believe that this effect occurs when the planchet has already oxidized slightly before being struck, and then the toning progresses more after the strike.



That "pull-away" toning was a new phrase for me SPP.

..and I do like to see those 2 reverse die chip 5 cent silvers..

I had never seen that before these examples..



Here are a few more views of that 1880H...

Maybe a little more detail can be seen in the face profile here.

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More detail of that die

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Nice to see the big chip in between the E and N of CENT also..

A very interesting coin..
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Yes nice pair , now I need to find a third one
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I think I find a third one

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I got this one with all same dots and chip

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Sadly, those pics are too blurry. Can't see anything..

Scans are not the best when a camera is handy..
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one more with the chip between CE*nt*s
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