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I notice various older threads for 1943 50c on the forum but they're specific to certain varieties so this is a multi-variety Something interesting, aside from the mint-reported obv/rev dies at 168/118, is that according to Charlton #68 edition (2014) starting in 1943 appx half the dies were chrome plated to increase die life. Chrome plated dies resulted in a more polished appearance as opposed to a satiny finish. But in those early years sometimes the chrome peeled "leaving a mortar-set or shelf around the sharp edges of the letters or numbers". My 1943's, assistance is greatly appreciated because it will be helpful to move me from this state of confusion. Unfortunately my editing program cannot draw lines from the tip to the "1" to the bottom of the ring, helpful in identification. However I have attempted to straighten the photo to that alignment (otherwise I measure with a paper edge held flat on my computer screen, looks sort of bizarre so not exactly what I want my family to notice me doing.) A. This one I can identify;-) It's a very evident example of Zoell variety 4M/47 (R444e) - a 3/3/3 inside and outside the top loop of the 3. Of the others that follow, any possible doubling or tripling is not nearly as obvious.  B. This one I'll admit has me stumped. It's inside an ICCS holder identified as a "far 3". I notice the flatback 9 but cannot see any doubling yet the three appears chunky. But perhaps it's a normal "narrow date"?  C. Don't know what the blob mark is, amazing what zoom finds. This I had identified as a "wide date" before I learned there are about 30 known variations of 1943 50c. It also has a chip missing off the top corner of the 4.  D. If I'm able to correctly identify a "satiny finish", it would be this one as opposed to A and B which have a brighter polished lustre. Round 9, high 3.  E. This one is worn but it looks like a die crack extending from the tail of the 3.  |
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To clear up a point of confusion..... When ICCS says a 'near' 3, that is because the 4 and the 3 are close... ie. = a narrow date. An ICCS 'far' 3, has the 4 and 3 at a distance = a wide date. The near/far terminology is not in respect to the distance from the 3 to the hoof. So in your pictures, the only date that ICCS would term near is D. BTW. I am also a proponent of the edge of the paper to the computer screen for judging date digit vertical placement, but CCF's excellent print facility for forum entries allows me to print out the record and insert the reference line per Charltons entries.  Edited by pginrh
01/28/2016 08:53 am
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One year later --
Still searching varieties. My variety reference is pginrh's listing of Zoell varieties that he so generously often shares with people like me who want to pursue 50c varieties, plus the 50c feature section of Charlton #68 edition (2014), which he also co-pulished I believe.
1943 - I notice that 1943 50c is one of the years with the greatest number of major and minor varieties so I figure this is a good year to revive. There are numerous other threads featuring 1943 50c varieties here as well. the thought occurs to me it would be wonderful to create some sort of reference library so to not have to reinvent the wheel but that would require someone much more technical than me. Meanwhile I have a collection of devices including a camera, a scanner, an iphone and a digital microscope, yet I still find photo taking very challenging so pardon my lack of expertise.
Please, anyone feel free to post up your 1943 50c and if you don't know what variety you have, anyone can guess along. No rules but no prizes either. Just to create some interesting fun and maybe pose some competition to those old penny folk who typically dominate this variety section.
I'll go first, adding a couple of identified varieties with explanations.
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By the way, anyone feel free to correct any inaccurate conclusions I might be making here. 1943 50c are many die crack varieties. This is an interesting one, its Zoell major variety R444d4 A round 9, far 3 and the 3 is also high. Also the 3/3 (doubled) right top loop of 3 and sorry I notice at this point I notice my photo is not the greatest. There's also some very fine die cracks beginning to appear around the unicorn's hoof and though the 3 that become more obvious in later die states  |
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Hmmm well photography can be frustrating. This one I snipped to feature the date. It's identified as Zoell Minor variety FL444s. Round 9, near 3. There's a diecrack running from the shield (yes its there) through the 9, 4 and 3, then to the rim. It appears my photo is illuminating other other early stage die cracks as well.  |
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One more - R444e No die cracks however the 3 is tripled.  |
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Wildflower, even though I am one of those "Old Penny Folk", I'll be watching your thread hoping to learn a little about them.
When I was about 10 years old and my whole coin collection fit in a little plastic school supply pouch, my Dad brought me two Canadian silver halves (a 1944 and a 1946) that he got somewhere. I have always enjoyed looking at them because of the reverse design, and now because it still reminds me of my Dad. He was always very supportive of me in my collecting. They are still the only two Canadian silver halves I own. When you get to the 1944 and 1946 threads, I'll post pictures. I doubt they are anything special as varieties, but they're still pretty special to me.
I like that first one, the 3/3/3.
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I'm just starting to get serious about collecting George 50c pieces so I only have three 1943's to share. As you can see, the spacing of the 4 & 3 are slightly different on each one. The first two are circulated and the third one is BU Cameo    |
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When I was about 10 years old and my whole coin collection fit in a little plastic school supply pouch, my Dad brought me two Canadian silver halves (a 1944 and a 1946) that he got somewhere. I have always enjoyed looking at them because of the reverse design, and now because it still reminds me of my Dad.
I'll make sure we get to those dates. Funny thing, 50c was the favourite denomination of my dad's as well and so I understand what you're saying about it reminding you of him. Unfortunately or otherwise, neither of us favoured pennies!  |
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Jimmy.. the first two look like narrow dates and the third is a wide date. Over a 100 reverse dies used so that many date configurations since the last two date digits were entered on each die separately from other dies..
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Jimmy thanks, maybe some of us have all been bidding on the same 50c piece auctions because I must say there's greater competition than I ever expected Your photos are excellent! I'm hoping to entice our resident guru or someone else into commenting on your halves. You also reminded me of something I intended on learning how to do and that's adding the visual line running from the nine to the ring. Edit - yes. Haha! Edited by wildflowerAB
02/14/2017 5:39 pm
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Something else of interest about 1943 50c-- Beginning that year, about half the dies were plated in chrome to increase their life. The difference is quite evident as non-chrome have a more satiny finish compared to the polished appearance of the chrome die. However in those early years the chrome had a tendency to peal, leaving a "mortar-set". The effect can be seen around the rim of this one, particularly above the King's head. Zoell H444a  |
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pginrh-
Thanks for confirming the varieties.
That is what I have marked on the 2x2's.
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wildflower-
Nice example of "mortar-set" on that 43.
I haven't seen one with that much peel before.
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Nice coins. "thanks WildflowerAB" Now I have to drag out the box |
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Nice coins. "thanks WildflowerAB" Now I have to drag out the box
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