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It has been beat up very badly!
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If I may, I have a similar. Double clip, laminated with Cuds and as Pete2226 says, a bit beat up. |
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This poor dude has been used and abused.
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Just my opinion but I do not think it's a genuine double clip I do not see the tell tale signs but wait for an expert
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01/29/2016 12:42 am
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Wow, what a coin. Beat up, but it looks like double clip, lamination with a small Cud on "TRUST". (and is that a die break on the "C" in "CENT" on the reverse?) I see weakness opposite of the clips on the obverse indicating genuine clip, but I don't see anything on the reverse Edited by BlueSolo
01/29/2016 01:53 am
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Could be blue-I just don't see any weakening of devices and no blakesly effect but you say you can see it so mabi it's me also the outside of the one clip looks like the edge metal is damaged all down the clip area?
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01/29/2016 02:11 am
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it may be blakesly effect at the 7 oclock position so that gives us at most one legit clip. The lamination looks good but I think that is what is giving us the what looks like blakesly effect at 7. otherwise I see no weakness for the other clip and the lamination looks forced like someone peeled it back. Also lets note these so called Cuds and the location of them. They are all right where the supposed clips are? looks to me like damage and the metal had to go somewhere if it wasn't cut of and that gives us our so called Cuds also the so called clip he shows the side of the coin and it is shinier meaning that metal has not been circulated as much as the rest so it happened after strike. lamination is the only thing I see and the coin is in such poor shape I'd throw it in one of my 1940 wheatie bags |
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It would not have taken much to peel the lamination back. It is very thin. I can blow on it and it moves. The clips are the same color as the rest of the penny. The lighting I had in the first pictures was not good. The damage on the left side under the clip is a die crack.     |
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I only see 1 blakesley effect now (7 o'clock). The other spot I thought could be blakesley is 4/5 o'clock the coin does not look round in that area, but this is not really opposite the clip. I didn't really look at the other spot that would be a Cud, just the one by "TRUST". 11997755: Are you sure that is a crack under the clip? Please look carefully to determine, just in case it's another lamination. Some laminations before they peal can look like cracks. What might also help is a good image of the reverse "E-PLURIBUS" area, also one of the top right wheat stock. If all else fails you might be able to try to wiggle/pry at the Cud like lumps with a toothpick. Any movement would eliminate Cud. |
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I see cut or grind marks on the outside of both clips(edge of coin)
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01/29/2016 3:15 pm
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BlueSolo - I will do some investigating on this penny later this evening. Will get the images you need. I think it is a crack that runs from the clip, through Liberty and exits at the rim below liberty. Will look and get an image of this also this evening. I think I will also carefully try to pry the " Cuds". If there not Cuds they don't need to be there anyways. I appreciate everybody's help trying to get to the bottom of this. |
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Slamnbass- I see the marks you are referring to. Seems to me there would some indication of heat if this was sawed or grinded, and perhaps some indication of clamping.
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Some may think the coins to beat Up but I like problem solving like this even if it is because you can always learn something  (sometimes you just wont get a definitive answer tho) Edited by Slamnbass
01/29/2016 4:37 pm
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It does look pretty beat up, but I am hoping most of it is mint damage. What exactly is blakesley. I could Google it but things seem to make a lot more since when you all explain it.
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