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1987 Penny Thin Planchet?

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 Posted 01/29/2016  11:27 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Guys I need some verification of what I found yesterday. I have seen a ton of Dryer Coins and or acid coins, but when this one sang a high pitched ting when I was going through the roll of pennies it got my attention.

The one in question is the 1987, and is always on the right in all 3 images.

The weight of the 1985 for comparison is 2.5g, while the 1987 is only 1.4g



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What do I have? is this a foreign planchet? it is non magnetic so it cant be a dime (from 1987).

What are your thoughts?

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 Posted 01/29/2016  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All you need is a XRF, to tell it's composition and look up the RCM foreign client list for 85.
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 Posted 01/29/2016  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, anyone in the metro Vancouver area with an XRF that wants to do me a solid?
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XRF testing will be of no value unless you have some idea of what you are looking for.
First you must search through a list such as this to see if any foreign coins struck by the RCM match yours for weight and diameter.
http://www.coinscan.com/for/foreign.html
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 Posted 01/29/2016  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ace_ftw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the list I have searched through this, there is nothing that matches up perfectly, unless perhaps the RCM had tested some for the UAE (the Fil in 1989 is 1.5g, 15 mm) Bronze or the Ukraine ten Kopiyok (1992) is 1.7g, 16.3mm and Brass.

or the New Zealand 1 cent is 2.05g, 18 mm and bronze

This is the closest to Date and size:

1987 Dominican Republic centavo is 2g 19mm copper plated zinc

What are the possibilities that this is some sort of split planchet, prior to strike?
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 Posted 01/29/2016  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find.
Most split before strike planchets I have seen so far have uneven strike detail, but not all.
Maybe it escaped the RCM's recycle bin..lol
Either way nice score.
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One would think JM would have such a unit to test the bullion they are buying, with composition it will help narrow search.
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I would say a split planchet strike. The planchet didn't split evenly and this is the thicker of the 2 so there is enough metal to have a reasonable strike produced.IMHO. nice find!
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 Posted 01/29/2016  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks too uniform for a split planchet.
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I think its a rolled thin planchet that escaped. IMO
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 Posted 01/30/2016  01:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fixguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Last time I saw a coin like that it was an acid job but it looks well defined. I'd need a real close picture.
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I like it. Makes me want to go search some more rolls.
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I would like to hear SPP'S opinion on this one...
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I am scratching my head on this one... usually coins struck on split or thin planchets lack detail, because the dies are set up to strike coins of a certain thickness (and to avoid clashing the dies). Definitely not an acid coin, and it looks legit, I just cannot explain the strong strike...
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Zoomed in and sharpened I do notice weakness in the areas with the arrows & Canada. Kind of odd that 1 is so wide in 1-cent.
Some flatness on the obverse too in Elizabeth and adjacent beads.
Just an observation
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OK, I have taken a few images close up, but after looking at most of the devices, all of them seem to be about 50% or less of a normal strike.

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