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 Posted 02/01/2016  12:28 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add wontgetlost to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
New to the forum, but glad to be here :-)

I recently won a "lot" of 20 Peace dollars on ebay that included a 1928 gem. Got all 20 for $559. The 1928 looked to be in really outstanding condition, even mint state. So I knew I got a deal.
When the coins arrived, the '28 was absolutely BEAUTIFUL! It had that light gold tone with full luster, cartwheel, and eye appeal. I was floored.
So I took it to a coin dealer and he put it under some kind of really bright light and immediately declared that "I wouldn't get this graded, it has hairlines".
So I took a look, and, sure enough, I could see a very light indication that at some point, the coin had been, perhaps lightly brushed or rubbed, maybe even cleaned. With the naked eye in normal light, this is not noticeable. Needless to say, I was a bit distraught. How could a coin with such absolute beauty now be ungradeable?
Here's the auction: http://www.ebay.com/itm/121863109981
If you look at the picture of the reverse, you'll see that the hairlines are clearly there. Being the novice that I am, I missed that aspect, because I wasn't looking for it.

Just how much do "hairlines" affect the value or condition?
I know it's a grey area, because not all hairlines are created equal, but hopefully someone can steer me in the right direction, and maybe even point me to some good reading on the subject.

On a similar note, I see that on many many auctions, people are bidding big dollars (relative to the coin value) on far worse examples than mine.

Thanks for taking the time to read this, and hopefully set me on a straight course :-)

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 Posted 02/01/2016  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wontgetlost: to the CCF!

A few hairlines can knock large percentages of value from otherwise perfect MS70 proof coins.
Make sure that proof coins are always encapsulated in some way, that is, capsules or slabs.

On the other hand, if you collect coins that are ancient milled aor hammered, (before about 1800) hairlines are not considered, due to the way the coin was made.
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02/01/2016 01:24 am
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 Posted 02/01/2016  01:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wontgetlost to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks!
Why are so many of these Peace dollars riddled with scratches, and yet sell for top dollar? Is it just that the buyers don't yet understand how much scratches or improperly cleaned surfaces devalue a coin?
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 Posted 02/01/2016  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add machine20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Checking ebay completed listings, that single coin is still worth at least $225, so nice deal on the lot
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We all make mistakes I bought my fair share of cleaned coins when I first started. I now can spot them easily....looking at your listing I immediately saw hairlines. No one expects to have perfect results when starting....still your 1928 is uncirculated details still worth $300 minimum.
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