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1898 Morgan Dollar Polished Or DMPL?

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 Posted 02/04/2008  9:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add NGiles to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I found this coin and thought it looked too shinny. It has a lot of detail, and it doesn't appear to have any swirls or anything that suggests major polishing. It has been circulated obviously, but I'm thinking it's a mirror proof finish? I put a pencil in front of it to show reflection.

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 Posted 02/04/2008  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shamrock4sure to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The pics you have don't show well enough what you might be thinking that indicates an "obviously circulated" coin. The hair just above the ear is one of the first areas to go but there is detail to the hair in your pics. When tilted at an angle many MS grade coins exhibit mirror like qualities. Knowing this, some vendors tilt their Morgans to photograph them to entice buyers on ebay. I doubt that anyone on this forum is going to grade your Morgan just from the pics. If you're looking at it for an investment, have it graded. If not enjoy your find. Hope you find what your looking for whenever your looking.
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 Posted 02/04/2008  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks polished not proof. I see no contrast at all between the fields and the devices, they kind of just run together, at least in the photos.
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 Posted 02/04/2008  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NGiles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a few more pics.

There is wear on the coin, that is why it is obvious that it is circulated.

I have compared it to my other Morgans MS 66 on down, and the shine on this coin is significantly greater.

I did notice the shine on the detail, and that is what makes me think polished. However the field has the same shine right up to the edge of the detail. There is no polishing "halo" at the edges of the detail like I have seen on other polished coins. The reverse however does show the difference in luster.

Maybe its a Proof gone circulated that got polished.

Here are the pics, sorry I can't get a good picture of the finish.

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 Posted 02/04/2008  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NGiles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a better picture of the Reverse
Just kidding.

This coin got me questioning if it were a DMPL.
The field (in person) looks like this(only with some scratches).
The Satin finish on the eagle is also very similar, only showing some wear.


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 Posted 02/05/2008  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MountainXBGL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That last pic is very nice....What are you calling "obvious wear"? There are several nics and bumps but I don't see obvious wear....Also, I don't see enough to call it polished. I don't know if I would call it Proof-like. Nice coin and don't sell it short...That's an MS grade coin.
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 Posted 02/05/2008  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NGiles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The last Pic isn't my coin it was an example to show how My coin almost looks. I would love to have an 1883 CC in MS condition.

Sorry for the confusion. I noticed the fields on that coin and it looked similar to my coin.
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 Posted 02/05/2008  07:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
maybe waxed?
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NGiles,

As Bobby pointed out, your coin has been polished and is not DMPL.

If you look at the picture of your sample 'CC' reverse you note that the devices (lettering, eagle, wreath) are frosted in contrast to the mirror fields. On your example, the fields and devices have the same mirrors. Although this is more correctly defined as "cameo", the true unmolested Morgan PL's and DMPL's retain the frosted devices.
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 Posted 02/05/2008  08:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I concur - definitely polished
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Thanks for the additional pics, I admit that in the earlier ones the Morgan did look just tooooo shiny but with the detail off I couldn't be sure what I was looking at. Interesting exercise.
May you get one to replace it at a decent price.
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 Posted 02/05/2008  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Polished.
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 Posted 02/05/2008  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NGiles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good thing I didn't pay for a cameo. I got this for silver spot price. That's probably a good indication that you are right.

I agree 100% with bobby on the polished details. It looked too shinny. It probably is all polished, the thing that threw me off is that the cameo finish in the field doesn't have the hazy silohette around the edges of the details that I have seen on other polished coins. There is evidence in both directions, atleast enough to throw up a question mark in my mind. the pictures don't do it justice.

I just put it on the forum for conversation. Thanks for the great feedback.
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NGiles,

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It probably is all polished, the thing that threw me off is that the cameo finish in the field doesn't have the hazy silohette around the edges of the details that I have seen on other polished coins.


Sorry I confused you. Cameo refers to the contrast between frosted devices and mirrored fields. I think you meant to say "the mirror finish in the field ..." I think this one had a dip before it hit the buffer. That would eliminate the hazing on the edges you mentioned.
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 Posted 02/05/2008  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NGiles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't worry I'll catch on to the terminology before too long. Feel free to confuse me further. The knowledge I've gained on the forums has far out weighed the confusion.

I can almost make people think I know what I'm talking about.
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 Posted 02/05/2008  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Uh Oh!

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