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Pillar of the Community
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Yes @notehunter494, it is a $1 Natick star. I've asked my friend to send me a front & back scan of the note. When I get it, I will share it here. I believe he has it in a PCGS holder.
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Pillar of the Community
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Nice to see you on this forum, Steve!
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Pillar of the Community
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Steve thanks for posting! I've read every article you have written on the Gilbert notes, very informative, thank you!
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Thanks Steve, yes $1 1977A star. Getting old and was thinking Gilbert instead of Natick.
To ALL, I am still trying to post some pics of my Natick $1 from this Mac computer. I have gotten as far as resizing the pictures and they are sitting in the downward pointing arrow icon at the top right of this site labeled as downloads. From here I do not know how to get them into the message box so they would show up in the post. Any help from here would be welcome. Thanks
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These GILBERT Notes are a tough find....
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Pillar of the Community
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One page of the handwritten records kept by Gilbert Paper employees with serial numbers, how the notes were used, and who authorized the disbursement.  |
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Jim61, who has published several articles on Natick notes was kind enough to share his census with me. Here it is, copied from his recent post on CUF, with a few more added from my own census.
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Well an update is way over due. I found this thread so will post an update here.
Please do not ask me about any who sold or any who bought or any who owns any of these. Amenity is ensured to obtain the best census possible. Some are available doing online searches for those who are that inquisitive.
This is just a summary list and not the full layout, so some references to other charts are not included here. Without further ado, here goes: (but the forum formatting sucks)
Natick study of $1.00 FRN test paper notes
By Jim Hatch email: jim61@frn-ones.com
If you have more to add or find mistakes, please email me.
Jim Hatch census data 1977A $1 block EH + E* Natick test paper
UPDATED 4/9/2016
ERROR
Serial Number Sheet Position Run / SFE F plate/B plate
see note #1 see note #2
E78779660H F3 / B3 62 / 20340
E78779661H F3 / B3 62 / 20339 F2099 / 3128
E78859676H H2099/3128
E78899665H A3 / E3 62 / 20335 A2097 / 3128
E78899670H A3 / E3 62 / 20330 A2090 / 3127
E78939659H B3 / F3 62 / 20341 B2090 / 3128
E78979660H C3 / G3 62 / 20340 C2089 / 3128
E78979672H C3 / G3 62 / 20328
E78979673H C3 / G3 62 / 20327 C2097 / 3128
E78979675H C3 / G3 62 / 20325 C2089 / 3128
E79059661H E4 / A4 62 / 20339 E2099 / 3128
E79059662H E4 / A4 62 / 20338 E / 3128
E79059666H E4 / A4 62 / 20334
E79059668H E4 / A4 62 / 20332 E2099 / 3127
E79059669H E4 / A4 62 / 20331
E79059670H E4 / A4 62 / 20330
E79059671H E4 / A4 62 / 20329
E79059672H E4 / A4 62 / 20328
E79059673H E4 / A4 62 / 20327
E79059674H E4 / A4 62 / 20326
E79099672H F4 / B4 62 / 20339 F2099 / 3127
E79139661H G4 / C4 62 / 20339 G2099 / 3128
E79219669H A4 / E4 62 / 20329 A2097 / 3128
E79219670H A4 / E4 62 / 20330 A2089 / 3127
E79219676H A4 / E4 62 / 20324 A2099 / 3128
E79259661H B4 / F4 62 / 20339 B2099 / 3128
E79339666H D4 / H4 62 / 20334 D2097 / 3128
E79339674H D4 / H4 62 / 20326 D2097 / 3128
E79339677H D4 / H4 62 / 20323 D2097 / 3128
note #1 First sheet position is what is on the note - top chart.
Second is where it s/b serial number wise - flipped.
note #2 Run is 62 which is the middle Natick runs 61 - 63.
SFE means Sheets From End of run.
Summary This is based upon observed data from known notes.
1) there are 29 known examples that I am aware of.
2) this was a full run of 3 runs without gaps.
3) all errors occurred from run 62.
4) errors occurred on 19 sheets near middle of run.
5) errors only occurred on right half of split sheets.
6) potentially there are 304 of these errors.
7) each run was 40,000 notes, up from 20,000 earlier in 1977A.
8) 10 of 16 positions recorded, 6 not.
9) Front plates used 2089, 2090, 2097 and 2099.
10) Back plates used 3127 and 3128.
non-ERROR
Serial Number Sheet Position Run F plate
E79065691H A4 62
E79065692H A4 62
E79065693H A4 62
E79065694H A4 62
E79065695H A4 62
E79065696H A4 62
E79065697H A4 62
E79200297H E4 62
E79542145H E1 63 E2075
E79830742H D2 63
E79917153H. F2. 63. F2178/6
E80295269H H3 63 H2178
Summary This is based upon observed data from known notes.
1) there are 12 known examples that I am aware of.
2) 5 of 16 positions recorded, 11 not.
3) 2 of 3 Runs recorded (62 and 63), 1 not(61).
STARS
Serial Number Sheet Position Run F plate/B plate
see note #3
E07236066* B2 12 B1695/2937
note #3 See chart, using 20000 sheet run
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Jim61
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This the list of Gilbert note serials numbers that I've compiled so far.
7 notes total
Reported serial numbers, grade,
C60802665A-AU55,has Pamphlet
C60802957A-UNC, has Pamphlet
C60803598A- restored by PCGS chemical 81?, has pamphlet
C60803640A-Has pamphlet
C60804062A-,has Pamphlet
C61069423A-AU
C61069425A-
Unknown, sold on HA for $11.50 on 3/02 with pamphlet
These are 2 of the serial numbers in the bundle of notes in the company safe.
G25631121G
G25631124G
I'm working on a photo census of both Naticks and Gilberts, I'm almost done and shall try to share it soon.
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Pillar of the Community
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Glad you found Jim's thread and research @GoldenChest.
I received this information in an email from Jim, and tried to post a link to his thread at Collectors Universe to your thread here, but I kept getting an error message. A lot of great information can be found on both of these threads.
If you need photos of the 63A G-G Gilberts, let me know and I'll try to find them.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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GoldenChest,
It looks like we both received jim61's census information..
This added 14 additional errors to the current 14, plus E78859676H that is on your census, and not on his..
I am now showing 29 errors with the additional E78859676H above (your find or Jim's), far more then my 14 before hearing from Jim..
I was a bit confused on how his cencus is as I chart all errors be assigned serial numbers, and list the Run sheet numbers by the COPE plate position A1 in Run 62..
While you have a complete census, mine is focused on overprint errors only..
I an redoing my serial number charts to show 2 charts at a time instead of 9 charts, this should make it a little less confusing..
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Steve, id very much appreciate photos of the GG notes, I have photos of all the other giblets save they unknown one from 2002.
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Pillar of the Community
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814 Posts |
BrokenCoin, the 78859676 was reported by another member in the CU forum.
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Pillar of the Community
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I have this scan of serial G25631121G. I'm pretty sure I gave serial G25631124G to my fiend Rich.   |
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks a lot Steve!
Another error note was just reported, with photos over on the boards of TCS.
E78859666H FP H2090/BP 3127 H3 position,
bringing the total errors to 30 and overall total to 43 notes found! Nearly triple what it was when I started this thread.
Notehunter, is your note listed here? What the serial number of yours?
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Pillar of the Community
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I heard from Tom yesterday, my friend that bought the Gilbert Mill site, and he says he might sell his 1963A G-G notes found in the safe. Is there any interest in these ?
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm interested to be sure. Affordability is another matter. Especially since they have yet to be cetrified or graded as Gilbert notes.
Edited by GoldenChest
04/17/2016 5:50 pm
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