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Rest in Peace
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Exceptional Morgan's and I love the old ICG holders that are accurately graded by today's standards. Great VAM is extra butter on your stack. Wonderful additions to your collection. Congratulations.
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The case was an after grading purchase (somebody, somewhere posted an advert for them once upon a time - IIRC it was something like buy 10 and get free foil stamping).
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Not sure I follow B. So are you saying the pleather folders were sold by another aftermarket service? And what's the foil stamping about? I don't see any foil stamps 
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I'm guessing the "foil stamping" would have been personalized print on the outside cover?
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Exactly. The 'gold' initials on your suitcase, etc. are all examples of foil stamping. There are dozens of YouTube videos showing the process.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Wow those two are just amazing. I have one that I bought from ebay for $87 but nothing like yours.  
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Thanks john. Yours is cool but yeah no folder. So they were originally returned in 3 separate pieces huh. Bj, my folders are clean with no foil stamping. That is why I was questioning what you were talking about 
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Cascade- I don't think it was 3 separate pieces. I have one from Jun 1985 which I believe was as it was returned.
The Green stamp with the cert# is on the outside of a thin heat sealed polyfilm (fairly thin, like a baggie) container. Factory edges on three sides (top, bottom and left). The heat sealer was used to create a compartment for the photo cert (bottom) and the coin in a flip is in the top compartment. Then the right edge was heat sealed.
To me, it looks like the original owner of John's coin opened the bag, stuck the green stamp on the back of the flip and put the coin into an airtite for protection.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Thanks B (not Bj lol) do you notice a predominance of morgans in these or a plethora of series when you've run into them? Also, it seems like 64/65 is the most predominant grade from morgans in these I've found online.
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Bedrock of the Community
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IGA was a short lived service from the mid 80's located in Atlanta GA. In my notes I have that it was possibly owned by Robert Cornley and Shelly Schultz. If BStrauss has one dated Jun of 1985 that would be the earliest one I have heard of. The earliest I have seen was dated 1/9/86 and the latest one was 4/24/87. So we are talking 1 1/2 to 2 years in operation. And I have only seen the one variety of certificate. I have seen them in that vinyl wallet with the certificate in the pouch and the coin in the other pouch, but I suspect that may be an aftermarket packaging because I have seen that same wallet with other phptocertificates. I have also seen the certificate, coin and that green paper with the logo sealed into a single three pocket vinyl "sheet" with all three items sealed into their own pocket. That I think might have bee the way they were originally packaged.
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Thanks for dropping in conder. My 89 is apr. 24 87. Is mine the latest one you've seen or ws it another? If another I wonder if 4-24-87 could be the last day they graded anything... have you seen other series in IGA conder?
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OK, to settle any doubt      Based on the cert#s, they graded 90K coins in about 500 business days or about 180-190 / day. Cert# Date 732796 6/1/1985 801108 4/3/1986 822209 3/10/1987 823652 4/24/1987
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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One has to wonder what the cert number is on the first coin graded.
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Well... probably not #1...
True story... when I opened a checking account in Washington state, the bank asked me what number I wanted to start my checks at. This was a secondary account, for the few expenses I had up there that I wasn't going to use a credit card for, and which I thought it was unfair to use an out-of-town check and have the banks place it on hold for a week. But I knew supermarkets and such also don't like 'starter' checks. So I said, oh 2814. And that's what my checks started at. It gave the illusion of an old, well established account...
Now I'm not saying that IGA started at 732796... but they could have... to look like an old, established grading service.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Now I'm interested... http://www.georgiacorporates.com/corp/823906.htmlhttp://www.bizapedia.com/ga/INDEPEN...TES-INC.htmlCompany was registered 4 Feb 1985 ROBERT CORNELY - Chief Executive Officer CINDY CORNELY - Secretary HOWARD WARREN - Chief Financial Officer Listed address was 1776 PEACHTREE ST NW STE 600 ATLANTA GA 30309-2307 Oh, this doesn't look good... http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/19...lver-dollarsQuote:
Officials Charge 22 In Fraud Loss To Coin Buyers Pegged At $30 Million July 15, 1988|By CECILIE DITLEV-SIMONSEN, Staff Writer ... The company bought coins at bulk prices of less than $20 each from Rare Coins of Georgia Inc., officials said. Another Georgia firm, Independent Grading Associates Inc., supplied false numismatic grading certificates, they said. http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com...re_items.htmQuote: PROGRAM TO COMPENSATE CONSUMERS IN GEORGIA-BASED COIN INVESTMENT SCHEME 08-93
The Federal Trade Commission today announced a refund program to compensate consumers who purchased rare coins whose investment quality and grades were allegedly overstated by two Atlanta-based firms. Under the disbursement plan, consumers will receive a pro rata portion of their original investments.
The refunds stem from a December 1987 FTC complaint charging Rare Coins of Georgia (RCG), its president, Sheldon Schultz, Independent Grading Associates, Inc. (IGA), and its president, Robert Cornely, with misrepresenting the value and grades of rare coins they sold to telemarketers nationwide.
According to the FTC complaint, RCG, IGA, and American Coin Grading Services (ACGS), an unincorporated entity operated by at least one of the defendants, issued certificates that overstated the quality of rare coins, and supplied those coins and certificates to telemarketers. Using the certificates to promote the coins, telemarketers then resold the coins to consumers as high-quality investments, the FTC alleged.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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