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My German is even worse than my French. If I understand both auctions correctly, the seller is an official distributor of Monaie de Paris? Does the mint sell directly to the public and, if so, would sales be limited to Europe or would it ship anywhere (e.g., US or Canada). If Monaie de Paris can't strike as many as it is authorized because the series isn't selling, why does it even bother? Both are nice coins and I'm a Peter Pan fan (I've also been accused of never growing up  ), but they're not in my budget (not much is these days). |
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Originally posted by Morgan Fred
My German is even worse than my French. If I understand both auctions correctly, the seller is an official distributor of Monaie de Paris? Does the mint sell directly to the public and, if so, would sales be limited to Europe or would it ship anywhere (e.g., US or Canada). If Monaie de Paris can't strike as many as it is authorized because the series isn't selling, why does it even bother?
Both are nice coins and I'm a Peter Pan fan (I've also been accused of never growing up ), but they're not in my budget (not much is these days).
Monnaie de Paris sales First as far as I know France is the only eurocountry with a tax on gold except they call it differently . Large part is some kind of tax and small part is some kind of solidarity for the jobless . This interpretation may be loose . If memory serves me it is around 7 % total Second this tax does not apply to non euro countries So the USA would be exempt Third ; they sell straight to the public but give a discount to dealers which I suppose is substantial in view of their very high original prices and the much lower prices on ebay Fourth ; since most of their coins sell in Germany they have a full distributer that probably gets a very large discount and that can sell to the rest of europe without any tax Fifth : most of their limited series do not reach the maximum but that is probably calculated in their prices and they do not know which series will not sell out and after the fact nobody knows what the final strike total was which may appeal to collectors Sixt ; those prices are out of my range too but I managed to get a 2004 coin on ebay for only 4% over melt My avatar is from MDP it is a kid out of the book of Victor Hugo Les Miserables Kid dies in the revolution in the second tome . Image:  Gavroche K2.jpg14.9 KB  |
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Originally posted by ageka
1968 Mexico
Oldest Monnaie de Paris I have seen sofar
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Piece-or-99-9-ed...68_W0QQitemZ270024317115QQihZ017QQcategoryZ3440QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Now this is a coin I would go after if I had the money. I don't know how many were issued, but it's a nice commemorative gold in anybody's book. Seems the price is reasonable also, but if I translate right, he will ship only to France, kind of a limited market. Maybe he figures it's old enough that somebody in-country will want it thus saving him shipping fees. |
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Originally posted by ageka
1968 Mexico
Oldest Monnaie de Paris I have seen sofar
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Piece-or-99-9-ed...68_W0QQitemZ270024317115QQihZ017QQcategoryZ3440QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Now this is a coin I would go after if I had the money. I don't know how many were issued, but it's a nice commemorative gold in anybody's book. Seems the price is reasonable also, but if I translate right, he will ship only to France, kind of a limited market. Maybe he figures it's old enough that somebody in-country will want it thus saving him shipping fees.
My best buys have been from people only shipping inside germany or france When you ask whether you can bid in their own language and offer to pay for full insurance shipping by a costfree banktransfer up front they nearly allways say yes The French are the only people in europe I think that still send personal checks to each other ; all others use costfree international euro transfers Therefore the French often limit the sales to France but I never ever had a French say NO to me when I asked as a neighbouring belgian whether I could bid On the other hand I once had a very insolent german who asked me what part of the sentence " no shipping outside germany " I did not understand or whether I had relatives living in germany I had to refrain from answering my father lived there from 1940 till 1945 as a guest of the great german reich but moved back west  The auction does not offer a weight for the coin so I figure the starting price is hign Now I have to go and look it up to see it is worth bidding on  |
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Fairy Tale Snowhite
on ebay France at 400 with melt at 240
I am curious it will catch a bid
http://cgi.ebay.fr/20-EUROS-OR-20-E...02_W0QQitemZ290024638501QQihZ019QQcategoryZ66655QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
So far, it hasn't caught many eyes or much of anything else: only five hits on the hitmeter. Doesn't look too promising for the seller. |
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My best buys have been from people only shipping inside germany or france
When you ask whether you can bid in their own language and offer to pay for full insurance shipping by a costfree banktransfer up front they nearly allways say yes
The French are the only people in europe I think that still send personal checks to each other ; all others use costfree international euro transfers
Therefore the French often limit the sales to France but I never ever had a French say NO to me when I asked as a neighbouring belgian whether I could bid
On the other hand I once had a very insolent german who asked me what part of the sentence " no shipping outside germany " I did not understand or whether I had relatives living in germany
I had to refrain from answering my father lived there from 1940 till 1945 as a guest of the great german reich but moved back west
The auction does not offer a weight for the coin so I figure the starting price is hign
Now I have to go and look it up to see it is worth bidding on
Viva la France! Without getting too political here (and I may be overstepping my boundaries), but I've seen this type German arrogance a few times too often in my life, despite my Deutsche ancestry on my mother's side. Back in the small town (popn 5000) where I grew up, the town had (and still has) a large and very successful industrial plant. Founded in the 1920s by a Swiss Jewish electrical engineer who had invented a very high quality magneto ignition system ("Scintilla"), it was a critical industry during WW2 since it supplied literally all the magnetos for all US-made bombers and most US fighters. Top heavy with research and development and with a heavy demand for innovative electrical engineers, it hired my father, a recent college grad before the US entry into WW2. Following the War, it went into the civilian field and still needed outstanding engineers. There were several survivors of the concentration camps who were hired including one who worked with my father and visited our home often. He actually was almost proud to show off his numbered tattoo although he did not like to talk about his camp experiences hardly at all, especially to us kids. His tortured past haunted and agonized him, he had several breakdowns, and after 20 years, he just could no longer live with it, so he finally committed suicide. That said, following the war, the company was still desperate for engineers and it hired a number of German engineers, many of whom had been in the German rocket program during the war and were recruited right out of the displacement camps while others were Luftwaffe or Wehrmacht veterans. Several were in my father's department including his immediate supervisor. As individuals, they were generally great conversationalists and very friendly, but as a group, they leaned toward arrogance, self-righteousness, and domination, forgetting that they lost the war. There was considerable animosity on their part toward the Jewish engineers and after a number of incidents both inside and outside the plant, several were asked to leave despite the continued need for engineers. My father's supervisor was one of those who was separated, but although he had stolen a publication and a patent from my father, Dad still kept in touch with him until the 1990s when his boss died. I never knew the reason why Dad wanted to keep corresponding with him, but he was pretty tolerant of peoples' shortcomings. I never particularly liked him because he was always lecturing us children as if we were ignorant of WW2 history. It is unfortunate that a small group of people who probably represent a minority of a country's population can set the tone and image for the rest of their brethren. Yet, so it is with Germans. It may be undeservedly so, but this attitude on the part of a few has become the dominant image for the Deutsche. The seller who dismissed you in such a lordly manner only reinforces this image of his countrymen, even more than 60 years after the war ended. He does not realize, indeed probably never will realize that each of us are ambassadors of our country, state, region, and even community and that our actions and attitude reflect the larger entity as a whole. Fred PS - Susan, Bobby, or other moderators, if I went too far with this post, please feel free to delete it. |
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At first sight Germans have a few strange attitude streaks They like uniforms whatever uniform it may be (postal, train, bus ...) They like authority and most like to be told what to do They like titles ; if in germany you are not an Herr Doktor or an Herr Diplomingenieur you are not top notch (I bought machinery in germany for 23 years and allways started off the meeting with announcing I was a diplomingenieur from Lovanium Univ and I would start the meeting in English ) Only the younger generation stooped down to learning English the older ones are still speaking german only and they call an underling to translate My father after 4 years as a prisoner of war in germany was broken mentally . The little I know is from listening without asking questions Like chow was soup made out of grass with worms and bugs to give proteine food so that the prisoners had enough calories to work The best he ever ate was a roasted cat  During my last job I received several weeks of training in ecology in Germany in 1998 . My training boss was a german doctoress chemistry . I could do nothing right . Also she had business cards made saying doctoress XXX without any mention of her married state using her unmarried name which is kind of unusual . Also her front door bell only mentioned her name . She never introduced her titleless husband  |
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