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1909 VDB WDDO-001 ?

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 Posted 02/18/2016  08:48 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dohcollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
could you guys give me a little help please
i looked at coppercois variety vista and wexler coins
i also did a search onhere which gave me a start

https://goccf.com/t/248795#2091931

so I was reading wexlers site and I noticed I don't have any of the usual markers.
so now I'm a bit lost
but I managed to take a few shots Because I bought a usb microscope

Nway here they are


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 Posted 02/18/2016  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seal006 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What you are seeing appears to be Machine Doubling.
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appears to be MD in extremely similar areas to the real thing if you look extremely closely there are some differences.

if you put them side by side you can see the differences

This one so similar like those 1969 with md

let's see what the experts say

http://doubleddie.com/287322.html





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02/18/2016 09:25 am
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If you had the DDO #1 the doubling would look exactly the same as on coppercoins. Notice your coin does not show anything on the 1, 0 , or second 9 of the date. With doubled dies it has to be the same, NOT kinda the same. Because it was the same die that had the doubling on it that made all the coins.
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Great photos with your USB microscope
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both with MD and great photos.
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 Posted 02/18/2016  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dohcollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for the comments my friends
i realy was thinking I had meself a DDO variant, the MD is always trowig me off track
good thing I got you guys :D

@Ocala
i should of noticed but the liberty looked so similar its just hard for me to c the diffrence
that and the nose bridge with the gap out of the tip of the nose and the doubling on god it realy looked like it had all the right features

@seal
yeah I saw that it did't match that completly, but I was thinking 'you never know whwat could come out of it maybe a new R57 variant'... LOL


@jim
that is appreciated !i just got it yesterday and boy am I gladd I pulled the trigger


@Moxking
love the usb thingy moxking, I realy do
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02/18/2016 10:55 am
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There were so few dies used to make the 1909 cents. I am pretty confident that all varieties have been identified by this point.
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Looks like a normal coin with slight MD as mentioned. Here are A couple of image of the 001 to look at:
1909-VDB-WDDO-001-?
1909-VDB-WDDO-001-?
Note the hub doubling that enlarges the devices over all size.
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@Seal
was tryin gto make a small joke at the end nobody picked up on that hehe
nway I'm still quite new to this so I tend to go sherlock holmes on almost everything
and its not the first time I've read that there was a undiscoverd coin found somewhere in a hoard
just got my hopes up to high
it seems
https://goccf.com/t/253465


@Coop
thank you Coop
i think I got the lesson come home

this is what trew me off

just the nose displacement and small gap on the tip
that trew me off thinking there was doubling on the head too


1909-VDB-WDDO-001-?


again thanks all
always valueable lesson the be learned here
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probably a coin contact mark from another coin. If it were a chip on the die, then it would be raised. So most indentations on coins are PSD because of coin contact. (Some strike through happens)
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I caught your joke. I am working and surfing at the same time so my mind is adrift. New discoveries happen all the time, but are generally newer issues or issues that had a lot of cooins minted for that year. I made a discovery of two new 1963 RPMs about 5 years ago. There were a lot of dies used in 1963.

There were only 27,995,000 1909 VDB minted, whereas 1963 there were 1,774,020,400 minted in Denver which is what the RPM was.
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that one does look super similar
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so this one is MD too and not a RPM?
because the S is smaller in size and shape it can't be a RPM?

thanks for bearing with me

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Look at how flat it is. Also look at the Machine Doubling on the 1969. These are dead giveaways.You are starting to get the gist. You are no problem at all. I love helping those that really want to learn.
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Note the MD on the mint mark is the same as the date. Just MD. Also note how the devices are reduced in size. The bottom loop of the mint mark is smaller than the top loop. Sure sign for Machine damage during the strike. (die movement caused the devices to be damaged) Nothing is doubled, just damaged in shape.
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