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New Member
United States
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Clearly I'm having trouble grasping the difference. I've looked at many of the veterans posts, Richards graphics of O's with MD and Hub doubling. I am grateful for this resource, and I know you guys must get tired of explaining the same dang thing over and over - but pls have patience with us newbies  I sincerely thank all who use and contribute to this forum. Is this MD? 
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Valued Member
United States
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Another newbie here and I have spent a lot of time looking at MD and many people have helped along the way on one of my posts there is a huge list of information on MD vs DD but I'm leaning towards MD on this but more experienced members will be able to tell you for sure
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Valued Member
United States
334 Posts |
Hey Iambulldogs, Don't get discouraged. I am pretty new here as well and having a hard time noticing the difference also. Hang in there keep searching and keep posting. The folks here are great and will help. You will get it no worries..
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New Member
 United States
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To be honest this was a trick question, to demonstrate why I'm having trouble distinguishing. To me it looks like MD, but that pic comes from a NGC slab of an ike DDO. My hunt shall continue, my binders continue to grow.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1915 Posts |
To be honest, it is very hard to tell anything from that photo. One it is quite small. Two, it is only of a very small portion of the coin. Three, the amount of glare makes it very difficult to see any doubling at all. Four, playing tricks on people for your own amusement will not get you much help in the future. These newer members happen to be online when you posted and were trying to honestly help you. Now, not only have you confused them, but most likely ticked them off as well.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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New Member
 United States
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Valued Member
United States
362 Posts |
I have to say I looked at this to as I still get very confused with Machine Doubling and doubled die, and to be honest when I looked at it I couldn't tell anything because of the picture and hard to see but I have to say often I'll look at postings in hopes to learn something I'm questioning before I waste someone's time with posting something. A posting like this is disappointing when there are many of us trying to learn. To me, this picture was very hard to tell anything.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The best way to tell the difference is a side by side. One normal and the coin you want to compare it with. Crop the edges of the images to the same size. Then look at the over all sizes of the devices. Here is a great example where I've compared a MD-normal-doubled die side by side:  Note the overall sizes of these devices. You will see the hub doubled example is larger. (right image) Then note the overall sizes of the MD and normal coin show the same size device, but the MD example is reduced from die movement during the strike. So the overall size really plays in with MD-normal-doubled die devices.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1915 Posts |
You have most certainly, completely missed the point. When it comes to die varieties, everything does fit into a neat little box. Machine Doubling only looks like a doubled die to someone that does not fully understand what a true doubled die actually is. Once you start to see those differences everything starts to fall into place. I was once just like you, desperate to find a doubled die, or prove those that were more educated on such matters wrong. Though, the ones I went toe to toe with are the Masters. The ones who have wrote countless books, and are the ones responsible for the numerology we all use when identifying. I am more than willing to help teach you the things I have learned through years of studying and searching. You have to be willing to learn in order to learn. I am by no means an expert, but I do have a vast knowledge as to what varieties are, what makes them the way they are, and what makes them a doubled die rather than Machine Doubling. The only two that had answered this post were guys just starting the learning process. The photo in question, is quite poor for determining what it was you were looking to get an answer for. The fact that it is from a professional site has no bearing. The fact that you used it in an attempt to rub people's noses into for trying to give their youngly educated opinion is not only bad form, it is illegal. You cannot steal an image without giving credit for a copyrighted image. I only saw this post AFTER you pointed out to the newer members they were wrong. Had I seen it before that comment I would have asked for better images. As for your other posts? If it was not about Lincoln cents I most likely passed it over. You are welcome to be a good contributing member her on CCF, and learn a lot along the way, or you can completely alienate yourself from others that are just trying to enjoy something they love and escape reality for a brief moment each day. The choice is completly up to you.
Edited by seal006 02/19/2016 8:13 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5964 Posts |
Iambulldogs, you obviously have an interest in numismatics. Take what you have learned here and post another coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1915 Posts |
In addition, the "other" coin you said that the experts told you was MD, that post had only one response. That was a response from a member that said they were new to all of this. The link you provide is of a type 2 reverse, not a doubled die. No where on that page does it say doubled die. You keep using the term DDO, which means doubled die obverse, meaning that the variety is on the obverse side of the coin. Type 2 Ikes refer to the design on the reverse side of the coin. So you are jumbling up the sides of the coins, and trying to attribute a die variety while using terms referring a design variety. You have completely confused yourself. You need to go back and reread many different posts, take notes, or bookmark stuff that could be helpful.
Edited by seal006 02/20/2016 08:26 am
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Valued Member
United States
334 Posts |
I hope the reason of his anger is not me. As I try to give opinions of what I have learned I always make sure I mention I am new and can be wrong and to wait for more opinions from the experienced. I also mention to read as many posts as they can to get accustomed to seeing other coins presented. Hope I did not over step my ability... I never get mad at any help I get from other members about my posts. I don't think I have been right yet..lol Let it be known that I thank all the members of my community that help me...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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You did absolutely nothing wrong. What he did by trying to trick everyone was wrong.
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