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Canada
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hi and thanks for viewing this example is a bit battered but I think I detect 3 dcs ? on the obverse one either side if Canada and one between Victori/ Dei i spent a bit of time on the Haxby site trying to id didnt try to get a shot of the reverse sorry pics not the best if someone could direct me to proper obs markers on Haxby i would appreciate tia   |
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 Canada
1046 Posts |
i think I just found it 65a ?
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United States
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Yes, this is the obverse 65a.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
840 Posts |
I agree
Obverse 65a.
XF 40 / nasty rim-bump / net VF 30.
How about a photo of the reverse.
doug
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1046 Posts |
thank you for your replies here is the rev i am always unable to decipher leaf 6 all thought I believe this is not Haxby J (and perhaps thats where I go wrong)  once again any and all help welcomed regards Edited by torgemco
02/29/2016 1:39 pm
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New Zealand
1679 Posts |
PC65a5 look at leaf 9 and the die crack on 13 state 2
Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
Edited by fourmack
02/29/2016 1:58 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1101 Posts |
Looks like reverse P4b. Die pair 65a5. Note the die crack at leaf 13 and there is no stem to leaf 10 which puts this die in reverse group P.
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United States
840 Posts |
Phil310, I agree, job well done.
Incidentally, I believe this to be a rare die mating as
of the thousand plus 59 vickies I have, only 1 is a 65a5.
Great find.
doug
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Canada
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thank you all
sorry for the delay
with responding
may I ask if this example
is worth saving and passing on ?
tia
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United States
840 Posts |
This is a loaded question.
Dr. Haxby's attributions are still in the developmental stage.
Thousands of 59 vickies remain in collections which have yet to be attributed
by Haxby variety. Hopefully, many collectors will generate an interest and
get on-board. Until then, any population census remain speculative.
At present, perhaps a dozen people are serious collectors of Haxby varieties.
And each of us readily knows what is common(what we already have too many
duplicates of). I have well over 200 different Haxby varieties and for me,
what appears rare are varieties I lack.
On the other hand, the DP 9 #1 is rather pricy. I have a handful of these,
and most collectors have their treasured DP 9 #1's as well. The DP 9 #1 is a
popular collectible and easily recognized variety which has long been searched
for. I suspect most DP 9 #1's have already been attributed. How 'rare' is a
variety that most collectors already own.
The same can not be said for many of the remaining Haxby varieties. At present,
no one knows how many 'rarer' Haxby varieties reside in collection and are waiting
to be attributed.
I am continually identifying and updating my collection. The vickies are available
and all that is required is time and desire. I willingly pay a nominal price for
some vickies I need, but at present, I am apprehensive to pay an outrageous price
for tomorrow I may find the same dirt-cheap (un-attributed).
I suspect this will significantly change once a sufficient number of ensamples have
been attributed and a rudimentary census has been generally established and accepted.
doug
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United States
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Well worded response (as always) colonialtokens. I think the study of vickies in general is where the study of early American coppers was many years ago. It will take a long time to determine the true scarcity of each variety. Many more will be attributed as more collectors enter the field, but new discoveries will be found also. With early American large and Half Cents, there are hardly ever new die varieties found now, and scarce varieties are hardly ever cherrypicked. The nice thing about the 1859's is that they are still affordable and you can still cherrypick interesting varieties. I've never had this much fun in 50 years of coin collecting. Thanks Dr. Haxby!! |
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New Zealand
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colonialtokens I totally agree
Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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Canada
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Well said but here is another view of the varieties still to be found.
The 59 varieties that are very visible will always be collectable. ..ie.... the present Charlton listings in the front,..
.. and to a lesser extent the 2011 Charlton listings in the back.
There are just not enough of us doing the hard search for these 59's..
I'm not even sure that there are a dozen of us that are seriously trying to complete all of the Haxby listings..
okiecoiner has repeatedly said that if the 59 variety isn't in the Charlton as exactly shown..then don't try to apply any special or increased pricing on these other cents.
The Haxby site would have to start adding a "rarity R #" as the Jack Griffin cataloge did.. back in his time.
Some 59's might be truly very scarce..but very much vanillas ...
..and if you can't easily see the "variety",..most large cent collectors will probably still say.."Who cares"..?
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 Canada
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Doug;
Let me know the next time you are in T.O. area for a show. I loaned about 800 or so '59's to Hax a few years ago, but he was so busy with things that he wasn't able to scrutinize them all. It was before he and Ed got the site up and running.I probably still have about the same number here and you can look through them if you wish. I know that I sent a bunch to Ed that he wanted to keep, but some were actually visually scarce varieties so he didn't get them all. I'll trust you, but will the motorcycle make it to T.O. again?
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United States
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I don't think we need to have rarity ratings or values listed for most of these 1859 varieties. Dr. Haxby didn't put them in the catalog for good reasons. They will gradually become known over time as more collectors try to assemble a set by Haxby variety.
I know there aren't many of us collecting by variety now, but I expect we will see a gradual and consistent increase in collectors over time. The catalog has only been published for about 4 years. More people will find it and love the challenge, I think. We who are already collecting now have a wonderful opportunity to assemble a nearly complete set before they are all picked through.
We can also encourage others to give it a try. I know of a 7 year old who loves collecting and I gave him some 1859's and told him about the website. He was thrilled. I was too. Happy collecting everyone!
Edited by Phil310
03/14/2016 5:38 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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There were folks working heavily with 1859's long before Dr Haxby put up the website(although he had worked on the research for over 40), with help from Ed Reny. I've been heavy into all Vicky varieties, especially 1859's for over 20 years and Brad Gravestone was as well. The old CCRS site used to drip with 1859 info but everyone left there years ago. I'm not a die tracker so I don't use the Haxby site. I'm just a variety collector/hoarder who looks for true varieties and helps with other's research. I think that it was the 2011 Charlton Vicky variety section that really got people going.
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