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One of my favorite coins is the large British penny.

I collected them while in college, 40 years ago, and thanks to a "pen pal" living in Ireland, I was able to acquire some very nice coins of various denominations.

Fot the first time in about 20 years I was looking at my English large penny collection tonight. It is complete (except for rarities) back to 1888.

Was 1953 the very scarce date? My 1953 penny looks as bright and new as the day it was minted.

I have several questions. The answer to any will be appreciated.

1. Is 1953 a rare date for the penny. What's its value?

2. Any suggestions for how to dispaly the coins.

3. If I decide to continue collecting them (back from 1888), what source should I look to in order to procure additional coins?

Thanks.
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 Posted 10/27/2005  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1953 penny is not considered "rare', but it is less than common. There were 1.3 million minted, but they were only available in the 9-piece "Coronation set", sold in a vinyl plastic package, which are abundant on ebay in the $8-20 range.
1951 is a very low mintage (120k),
1952 not minted
1953 (mentioned above)
1954-1960 none minted

and for those who are curious, the 1967 (last year of circulation issue) had a mintage of over 650 million, which is as much as the 1961-1966 combined.

As for displaying them, how do you feel about the Whitman albums? They actually did make them for the British pennies, although they do not produce them anymore. They do come up on ebay on a regular basis.
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kuhli:

Thanks for the information.

I really appreciate it.
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 Posted 12/20/2005  05:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gary Burke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One other question.

I have a 1951 speciman, and possibly two.

I wouldn't want to sell them, but am curious as to their value. Anyone know?

Thanks.
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Gary, this came up on a google search. There are lots of links. Type in "1951 English Penny" if you need more info. Mike

http://www.onlinecoins.co.uk/coinse...descriptionr
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I do not know about the rest of the world but in Australia most british pennies in low grades trade for copper value. Even higher grade later date pieces trade for copper price.

I have seen nice british penny sets displayed in blank Dansco supreme albums to great affect. I am a big fan of Aussie copper. If I was not concentrating on my Aussie predecimals I would consider a britsh copper set. I just love KGV and earlier copper in decent grades.
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I am not a big collector of UK coinage, only the odd one here and there. Thanks to the assistance of RG, I was able to acquire a full obverse Penny Brockage circa 1860 and she is a real beauty.

Fueled then by the need to know what the reverse side looked like, this was purchased to complete the pairing of a normal coin and an error coin. I am led to believe that this reverse is only used for the 1860 and the 1861 pennies, can a UK member confirm this assumption

Need-Information-Regarding-Large-English-Pennies

Thanks....Lim
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I too like the old coppers but have a tremendous time keeping focused on them due to my love of silver. If I knew I could get my paws on a 1925 Australian large cent I would probably focus on them. I do have a complete set of British "cartwheel" cents as they only made them one year!!!
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Get the 1925 Aussie Penny while you still can, this one is real hot and is spiralling upwards all the time. It won't be too long before the 1925 moves out of the reach of the average collector.
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I can verify what Lim is saying. I could sell more than I get. Prices have generally increased by about 80% in the last 2 years on these.
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quote:
Originally posted by lim118
Fueled then by the need to know what the reverse side looked like, this was purchased to complete the pairing of a normal coin and an error coin. I am led to believe that this reverse is only used for the 1860 and the 1861 pennies, can a UK member confirm this assumption

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Thanks....Lim



The image you provide is a "toothed border" which is the standard design, started in 1860, and used throughout the Victorian coinage, as well as through all the Kings' and into the Elizabeth coinage. The less common variety only used in 1860 & 1861 is a "beaded border."
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Many Thanks kuhli....I take it then this pictured penny is the correct pairring of a normal penny to this brockage penny

Grateful if you will check it out
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quote:
Originally posted by lim118

Many Thanks kuhli....I take it then this pictured penny is the correct pairring of a normal penny to this brockage penny

Grateful if you will check it out



Beautiful brockage!! Last year I sold off the brockage I had, which was a King George V British India silver 1 rupee piece.

There were 3 distinct obverses of the "Young head" Victorian bronze pennies. From your pictures (or my poor vision) I cannot tell which type it is. The designer of the coin was L C Wyon. In 1860-1861, they used dies that has his name engraved into the edge of the bust, near the rim. During the same period (1860-1861) there were also dies in use that had his name engraved in the space between the bust and rim. Throughout the entire mintage of this obverse (1860-1874), and most common is the type that does not have his name at all.
After a little more careful examination, I see that the reverse design you show has the LCW initials under the shield, which was only used in 1860-1861. Without his initials was used throughout the entire mintage (1860-1874).
There are complete books about all the variations of pennies issued in 1860-1861, and collectors who specialize in just those 2 years, spending their entire lives looking for the few elusive varieties they need.
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Much appreciated kuhli, for the information supplied. Since infected with the "errors" virus, I have a leaning towards brockages and mules and am looking at expanding my collection of them if they are within my "budget"....
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Where can I get the 1925 Aussie penny, and what would the cost be?

Thanks.
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Like Terry, I also have a complete set of the English cartwheels!

Back in the 1960's, I had a "pen pal" who lived in Dublin. He sent me some fantastic UK coinage, including the cartwheel.
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