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Will PCGS Cross An Segs Coin?

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 Posted 03/04/2016  11:45 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cjweber to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I looked over their site, it doesn't say they do, but it doesn't say they won't either... has anyone ever sent one in to be crossed?
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 Posted 03/04/2016  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can submit it to either NGC or PCGS if you crack it out and send it as a raw coin.

Neither of them will even except you sending in a SEGS slab no matter what ooin is inside.

SEGS is not considered a real certification company because there grading is perverse.

Show us the coin and we can offer an opinion on grade and if sending it in to PCGS or NGC is a viable option.
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 Posted 03/04/2016  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Crack it out then send it. The grade is most likely wrong anyway imo.

PCGS will accept anacs and NGC for cross. And maybe icg too but I'm not positive

NGC will only accept PCGS
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 Posted 03/04/2016  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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SEGS is not considered a real certification company because there grading is perverse.


Confusing SEGS with SGS?

SEGS, while not considered a top tier TPG, is a respected grading service. Especially for variety coins.

"Buy the Coin not the holder...."

To answer yopur question though......no idea?
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As they say on their website here: http://www.PCGS.com/crossover They only accept NGC, ANACS, and ICG for crossovers, so no, they would not cross a SEGS graded coin. You would have to crack it out yourself and submit it raw.
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Give PCGS a call and ask. They will probably say no but it doesn't hurt to ask. If you are concerned about cracking out the coin then most grading companies will do that for you as long as you make it clear it is being submitted raw.
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NGC only accepts their own and PCGS for grading, reholdering their own and grade checking their own.

Send them anything in a slab for other than those purposes from any other company will result with the item or the entire submission form returned to you with a charge on your CC for the trouble of shipping and insuring.

Make life easy for everyone and simply follow their rules.
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As they say on their website here: http://www.PCGS.com/crossover They only accept NGC, ANACS, and ICG for crossovers, so no, they would not cross a SEGS graded coin. You would have to crack it out yourself and submit it raw.


Incorrect. A quick search of their message boards states they also accept SEGS and PCI graded coins. PCGS will accept any holder. Again, just call to confirm before trying to crossover "off" label holders. In the past PCGS explicitly stated they would take any holder and perform a courtesy "crack-out" if you want them to grade it as raw but I don't see that right now.

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 Posted 03/05/2016  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree caTll and ask. hey used to accept any slab. If they now restrict it to ANACS, NGC, and ICG, that is a recent change. NGC has limited it to PCGS only for some time now.
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 Posted 03/05/2016  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cjweber to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys! I hadn't see the updates to this post until just now... I really don't want to try and crack it out of these holders... I don't mind them only accepting them as "raw" because the grades given by SEGS were BS! (That's not a grading acronym, it's a bad word) I will give PCGS a call about it before I submit them
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The Top 6 Certification Services are;
PCGS
NGC
ANACS
IGC
*SEGS
*PCI
* = both SEGS & PCI are now considered 2nd Tier Grading Services..

Below is a screen shot from one of my facebook Coin Groups showing a ANACS VF-20 that just crossed over to VF-30 in a PCGS Holder..

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By whom?

PCI is a joke - the current incarnation has graded perhaps 10,000 coins since they resurfaced in 2012. And their grading over the years before that bankruptcy has been up and down. Oh, yeah and before 2012, they were engaged in fraud since the boiler room SELLING their "3rd party" coins was owned by the owner of PCI.

SEGS - well, SEGS has fans and detractors, with some people feeling they do well on certain series and less well on others.

The market has put ANACS and ICG in a separate tier from PCGS and NGC. You can call it 1.5, 2.0 or whatever...
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When I mention SEGS & PCI, I'm thinking pre-2003, not the later years..

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I have not handled a SEGS coin in many years. The best one I ever had was an 1848-C $2.50 gold piece that they graded MS-63. It so happened that a dealer I knew also had an 1848-C quarter eagle in a PCGS MS-63 holder. The PCGS coin was a little better, but the price difference was huge. The SEGS coin cost $6,000; PCGS coin was $20,000.

I sold the SEGS coin for a $500 mark-up to one of the big coin companies, who I am sure cracked it out of that holder.

For the little guy who doesn't know any better, however, they don't know that one MS-63 to not the same as another MS-63. That's why SEGS can be dangerous if you don't know how to grade.
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PCGS will crossover ICG? That's amazing if true. I have an MS-62 Barber dime in an ICG holder that has obvious wear on it.
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I should mention that 95+% of my SEGS, PCI & ANACS are error coins, where the type of error is more Important then the grade itself..

15 years ago it could easily cost more for NGC or PCGS certification then the error coins value..

I guess I'm comparing and ..
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