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MS-69 Versus MS-70 Grades

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I would like to see someone post an MS69 side by side with same issue that garnered an MS70. I've looked and looked at MS69 examples and I can't for the life of me figure out what kept it from being an MS70. When I'd ask my wife where something was in the fridge or a cabinet, she would frequently respond by saying, "It's right in front of you. You must be blind." Probably she's right, and that's why Ican't discern the difference.
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post an MS69 side by side with same issue that garnered an MS70


In all fairness - the TPG's use 5x & 10x magnifications on the coins.
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You can also resubmit an ms69 and it may come back an ms70 or stay ms69. I have lots of MS69 that I see nothing wrong with them.
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If there is a subtle difference, it would probably have to be viewed in hand, not just with photos.
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These are all 69, I can't see anything wrong with them.
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With frosted proofs, look at the coin at 5x mag and look for tiny breaks in the frosting.
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I have one MS-70 coin. I have no idea why it is was graded MS-70 while others are not. I only bought it because it was too good a deal to pass.
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Im still kind of new to this stuff but last week I was looking at 2 cac graded [holder not sticker] 70 eagles and both had issues. I'm no professional but anyone can see when a coin is clearly not a 70.

I cant be the only one to have come across this... since like I said I haven't been doing this for long.
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You can also resubmit an ms69 and it may come back an ms70 or stay ms69.

And if you resubmit a 70 there is about a 30% chance it will come back as a 69. When PCGS was doing their "World Series of Grading" contests, the graders that competed agreed with "Official grades" about 70% of the time.
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Well the first example clearly states that it is something wong with it....

sorry couldny help myself

tbh I just think they spot some minor imperfection. Mostly new collectorcoins get these grades, so in order to validate themself they must grade some of them lower.....
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