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I've never pinned the ID down on this despite all the clues: R.A.M at the cap rocke and what looks like 1649 in wat ford  Anyone know just what it is all about? Ignore those blue colored holes, it's just background paper that was not filtered out. Edited by Albert
03/06/2016 3:29 pm
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My best guess is that this a trade token issued from Watford(e) in Hertfordshire, England. There is a book of Trade Tokens of this location and time period by George Williamson. Maybe it is available on line?
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Yeah I got that far a long time ago but it's time I renew my look and check it out with the help of members here.
Sometimes as time goes by new info gets posted on the internet giving more and better results, so thanks for the reply.
Funny thing about searching & results in general: (not related to topic) but funny thing I learned about coins I wanted to study: and that is I tried and searched for books and info about certain coins and didn't hit the nail on the head until I found a book titled: Crime and Punishment. Go figure. In that title I found the coins I wanted to read about. So to make a joke about my own topic it could go like this: say I find nothing about "CAP ROCKE" but if I searched something like "Taverns of 17th Century England" maybe something would pop up.
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R.A.M/ is often found on Masonic tokens. I think it stands for Royal Arch Mason.
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@Albert, the attribution for your token is Williamson #221. The complete obv legend is CAP.ROCKE.AT.THE and there is a stag lying down in the middle.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Thanks for the tip. I tried a sample of what I thought might be a good eBook about that topic from Amazon but it didn't help worth diddly-poo. So unable to see what I wanted I passed it up without buying. Second time I tried an Amazon eBook not worth diddly-poo. |
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The Numismatic Circular, vol. 17, carries this transcription of a 1653 entry from the Hertfordshire Record Office, noting that the "Captain Rocke of Watford" was known to be an issuer of a 17th century tradesman's token:  Edited by philadelphian
03/07/2016 7:40 pm
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Thank you so much- this really gets me going. I just didn't find anything on my own this good.
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Presuming this is the same Captain Rocke, from a 1652 transaction of lands in Hendon, Middlesex (about 9 miles from Watford), I think we can say the RAM initials are for Rocke, Ambrose M. (or possibly even Rocke, AMbrose).  The reverse legend, "Captain Rocke at the...," is possibly a rebus in conjunction with the image. Thus, the message from both sides of the coin reads "Captain Rocke, at the Stag, in Watford." There was pub named "the Stag" in Watford as recently as the 19th century; some research may reveal it to have been extant in the mid-17th century, or to be the namesake of an earlier pub. |
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This is just double good and so much better than my own research results. I'll dig into it and thank you so much for the help. Now if I can just find a photo of it someplace I'll finally have it pinned down for certain. Everything you offer sure makes sense.
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