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At Least One Coin For Each British King

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I have collected U.S. coins for many years, and have started to reach the ends of my interests. Two or three years ago I started an odd project, at least one coin for each British king. This set can never be complete because some kings, like Edward VIII, who abdicated before much of anything was issued with his name and portrait.

This has been an interesting journey. As a U.S. collector I used to think that the Pine Tree and Oak Tree coinage was crude. Now I've learned that compared to some British hammered piece, Massachusetts silver coins are downright "civilized."

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Here is a wild one, a penny for King Stephen (1135 to 1154). Stephen was not supposed to be a king at all. He took over the throne after King Henry I died. King Henry had a son who was in line to become king, but he and his buddies got drunk as skunks on a trip back from France. Their "Great White Ship" hit rock and all but one person on board drowned, including the crown price.

Henry made a deal with the nobles that his daughter, Matilda, would rule as queen on her own. The nobles were not happy with that. Women who aspired to rule without a king were "she-wolves" and the barons wanted nothing of that. So Stephen who was only King Henry's nephew seized the crown.

That resulted in a protracted civil war between Stephen and Matilda. The coins that were produced during that time were crude to say the least. Compared to the other examples I've seen, this one is a "WOW!"

So is anyone else working a crazy project like this? If so let's exchange posts.

In the mean time I'll post some more "royal stories" now and then. Some of this history is better than the reality shows on TV. The story of Henry VIII and his six wives is a real trip!
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 Posted 03/11/2016  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collected world coins for many years and finally went back to US coins as my LAST collection. Every time I see the world coins now, including the ancients which I also collected, makes it that much harder to spend hundreds of dollars on another Mercury dime.

At some point it is likely that the US coins will lose my interest and I'll return to world and ancients. Or tokens.

SO much to collect, so little time...
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 Posted 03/11/2016  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Anaximander to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are some Edward VIII coins out there which were issued for circulation, but none for the UK. Ones I have are:

British East Africa
5c with both KN and H mintmarks
10c with KN H and no mintmark

British West Africa
1/10th penny
1/2 penny ( I have one with KN mintmark, one with none )
1 penny - I have H and KN mintmarks

New Guinea
1 penny

Fiji
1 penny

All these coins have his name in English text but no portrait, as they have holes in the centre. I think this is a complete list of such coins ( possibly some more mintmarks available ).

I understand there are some Indian princely states with his title in their own script, but not in English.

There was a trial 3d British coin released for slot machine manufacturers to use as a sample, as it was a new design of coin. None were released for circulation but a few disappeared. Be prepared to pay a huge amount for a genuine one!
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This project is pretty crazy for an American, but a little less so for a British citizen. I have heard of others over here trying such a thing and a noble cause it is too ^^

Although it is not my first aim I am always happy to add a new ruler to my collection but I didn't get anywhere near as far back as King Stephen here...

Best of luck with this goal.
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A similar project is in my distant plans, but I'd probably have problems with the medieval ones.
I mean, even aside from the sheer identification problems, I don't think I've seen any medieval British coins for sale, and it doesn't help that my budget is tiny.

So far, my oldest is William III (a coin I bought for like $40 back when my budget allowed it), and I'm missing Anne (don't really expect to get any of her coins), George I and, IIRC, George IV. Still hope to get some earlier coins, but beyond a certain point it's either very rare or silver, which strains the budget further.
My Edward VIII coin is one of the Africas, I think. Don't recall which one offhand. The rest are all British.

I've also been working on a vaguely similar project with my "kopek type set" - basically, a type set for one-kopek coins of Russia and its predecessors. And since there's no well-defined "types" in the wire kopek series (other than by die pairs, which is far too narrow), I'm pretty much defining "types" as equivalent to different rulers (plus some special cases like presence/absence of a date).
With that in mind, I have wire kopeks from Ivan IV, Feodor I, Boris, Mikhail, Alexey, Ivan V and Peter I. Still looking for False Dmitry (any), Vasily and Feodor III (but unlikely to find these as cheap as I want); not really looking (too rare) for Feodor II, Vladislav, and whatever other rarity I forgot.

Considered something similar for French rulers, but there's really too many extra-brief reigns with almost no coins. (I wasn't even able to get all the republics - still missing the Second.)
Tried Japanese, but pre-Meiji is pretty much impossible, and post-Meiji is too easy (I picked up all four without even really trying).
Kinda trying for 4th/5th/6th century Roman (especially Eastern Roman), but, again, too many brief reigns (including a few whose only known coins are gold, and, IIRC, a few whose known non-gold coins are even more expensive than the gold). I'd probably have to declare the 5th century set closed if/when I get Marcian and Zeno, and focus on 4th century.
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I hope you will be including British Queens. Are you going to include a coin from any in the royalty?

Also, are you going for a date range or are you going to include a coin with Egbert (802-899)?
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I am concentrating on William the Conqueror and up. I do a few of the earlier king including Ethelred "The Unready" (979 - 1013, 1014-16) (He issued a lot of coins to pay bribes to the Vikings.), Canute (1016 - 1035) (There is an interesting story about how he had his throne brought to the beach. I'll expand on that if there is interest.)and Edward "The Confessor" (1042 - 1066). Harold II (1066) is on my list, but he only ruled for about 10 months, and his coins are pricey.

Here are the kings I still need:

Richard I (The lion heart) I'm looking for the French Denier since his name does not appear on the British coinage. He was a very overrated king I have learned, despite the "Robin Hood" connection, which is fiction.

John - I'm looking for the Irish penny since his name also did not appear on British coinage.

Richard II (1377 - 99)

Henry IV (1399 - 1413)

Henry V (1413 - 1422)

I've got the rest of the kings who are on my list. I believe that the following are either unavailable or unavailable in their own names:

Edward V - a 12 year old boy probably murdered in the Tower of London

Lady Jane Gray - A queen for nine days.

And Edward VIII as mentioned earlier.

Here is one of my best pieces, a half noble of Edward III. He was my kind of king. His economic policies were so successful that he needed to introduce higher denomination coins, like this gold piece, to facilitate trade.

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Sounds like an ambitious project. I wish you well! I have a small collection of British coinage as well, though I limit my collecting to Victoria through the pre-1970 £sd coinage of the present monarch. New Pence just does nothing for me.
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wow that's a show stopper... its worthy of dancing fruit...

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As already mentioned above, there are many coins in the name of Edward VIII that were made for various colonies (I have one of these).

With Edward V, apparently there were coins in his name, but they might be indistinguishable from very late issues of his predecessor Edward IV. No idea what the modern conclusion is; Google finds two articles from the 1930s regarding this question, apparently published right next to each other, with somewhat different conclusions.

There are, of course, no coins of Lady Jane Grey (aside from later fantasies).
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This project is pretty crazy for an American, but a little less so for a British citizen. I have heard of others over here trying such a thing and a noble cause it is too ^^


It's not crazy if you take an interest in the history of English speaking people as Winston Churchill did. I have really gotten into the half dozen or so books I have on the British monarchy.


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As already mentioned above, there are many coins in the name of Edward VIII that were made for various colonies (I have one of these).


I usually stay away from pieces without portraits, especially the modern pieces. From what I've read about Edward VIII, he is among my least favorite British monarchs. Flirting with Hitler does not endear him to me. Mary I (Bloody Mary), who was a truly cruel person, is another Monarch I don't care for. Among the others some were offense, but those two stick out for me.


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With Edward V, apparently there were coins in his name, but they might be indistinguishable from very late issues of his predecessor Edward IV. No idea what the modern conclusion is; Google finds two articles from the 1930s regarding this question, apparently published right next to each other, with somewhat different conclusions.


The Spink catalog devotes on page to "Edward IV or V." The links to Edward V seem tenuous, and all of the coins, except for the half penny, are very expensive. Given that, I think I'm going pass on this king unless something changes significantly.
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That half noble is a beauty,& the Stephen is very nice too.I am doing a similar thing,but I am finding mine with a metal detector,my aim is to find at least one from every monarch from 1066 onwards,I'm not counting Ed V,or Ed VIII or Matilda although would love to find one of hers.
I'm just one away now,& it's No 1 William I,he's a long way from being the hardest to find,but so far he's alluded me,I would accept a cut penny if that came along,I'm confident I'll finish at some point & will then concentrate on the late Saxon coinage,any way good luck with it,although it looks like your doing pretty well,also wouldn't mind seeing your William II if you have one.
Also have never found an Irish John,but I want one lol






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I goofed. I should have included William II a.k.a. "Rufus" on my list.
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The portrait on that Stephen penny is an absolute Gem.
Compare that with mine:
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Admittedly, the obverse is double (triple?) struck and the reverse is just plain worn.

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very nice half-noble - congrats!!

For now, I'm concentrating on British pre-decimal proofs and patterns - that way I can pretend not to be interested in this stuff.
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