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Mexican 8 Reales - Interesting Edge Curiosity

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This must be something for swamperbob´s curiosity cabinet.

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I guess, that this is an error, made at the mint, probably caused by an uneven planchet. I do assume, that the coin is authentic, its weight is 26.94gm.

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 Posted 03/12/2016  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dipper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks corroded and slightly off center. Ask Bob about the diagonal cuts seen on the edge.
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There is not corrosion. What we have here is a large segment of the edge, which seems to have been not in contact with the edger device.

Yes, Bob is the edge expert and this is why I posted the images in this forum.

I am curious what he has to say about this coin.

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I do assume, that the coin is authentic


Then how do you explain the distortion of the letters GRA in GRATIA? I think it's much more likely to be an error in the transfer die.
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Just a guess ... the GRATIA could be the victim of bifurcation and a partially broken collar in that GRATIA area?

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Hi Colonialjohn,

your guess is very probable and I also do think, that the collar (edger device) issue might be the reason for the blurred GRA letters.


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That's may mint flaw I think.
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coinworldTV Your explanation of the odd edge is that it was somehow due to;


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I guess, that this is an error, made at the mint, probably caused by an uneven planchet. I do assume, that the coin is authentic, its weight is 26.94gm.


and further


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What we have here is a large segment of the edge, which seems to have been not in contact with the edger device.


This is of course physically impossible when the coin is edged with a two die edger.


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This apparatus applies the design to opposite sides of the coin at the same time. A loss of contact on one side causes an identical loss on the other. So the portion of this coin that has no edge design should have a matching loss on the opposite side.

That is a simple fact.

The edge looks like many of the Contemporary Silver Counterfeit coins I have examined. There are uneven spaces between the circles and rectangles and some of the rectangles themselves are of various lengths.

I would suggest that what we see here is one terribly deteriorated die opposite a far less deteriorated edge. The edge shows what the two dies looked like - it is the only answer.

Regarding the deterioration of the GRA the suggestion is:


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coloneljohn Just a guess ... the GRATIA could be the victim of bifurcation and a partially broken collar in that GRATIA area?

coinworldtv Hi Colonialjohn,

your guess is very probable and I also do think, that the collar (edger device) issue might be the reason for the blurred GRA letters.


This explanation of why Die Deterioration would be focused on a small area could be correct for a collared strike.
However, Mexico City did not use a collared press. The screw press was open sided and without a collar die stress would be uniform over the 360 degree perimeter.

I would support the original position that the problem is related to a transfer process.

If you understand how the original coins were minted - both of these disappear as possible minting errors.
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