Agree with Jim here. They both look to be counterfeit.
On the 09S the portrait is inconsistent with the rest of the obverse devices. An early die state is implied but the entire portrait is weak...illogical for this issue.
Also, I think the slightly angled pictures make it hard to see the proportions of things. I suspect the date/MM look off from an overhead view. Additionally, I don't like the rims and the surfaces are suspect.
When you see a coin like this, trust that very first feeling you get, in the first 3 seconds. If something seems off, then it probably is. This is why buying coins in-hand is FAR superior to the web - you can take a closer look! This 3 second rule I use has worked very well for me over the years. I would estimate it's only been wrong <10% of the time....a closer inspection confirmed.
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