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Spanish Trail - A Welcome Addition

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I often call my collection of classic commems my "Twenty-Year Set" because I figure it will take 20 years to budget and locate the coins to fill the set. It is a raw set of white(-ish) coins in uncirculated condition.

This week, my Twenty-Year Set became a Ten-Year Set with the addition of the Spanish Trail half dollar. Not the toughest in the set, but one of the big three (along with Hudson and Hawaii). I had not been actively seeking this coin, in fact, I figured my next big purchase would be an Antietam to accompany my Gettysburg. But this raw mint state coin fell into my lap. And the photos tell the rest of the story. (Sorry the quality's not better.)

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 Posted 03/17/2016  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congratulation on this treasured addition!

I have to say ... the posted photographs are appearing in my view as very huge ... impossible for me to offer any informed input on the coin.

Truly salute your dedicated efforts to pursue the challenging, expensive and very fulfilling set.

David
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 Posted 03/17/2016  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add specksynder to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry about the photo size. The forum usually resizes them to fit my screen. Try these...

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 Posted 03/18/2016  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin appears to be Mint State from the photographs, but why are you against purchasing certified coins? About 25 years ago I too was against slabs. I didn't think that you could enjoy your coins as well when they were in them, and I thought that they were a marketing gimmick for coin dealers to get investors, who could care less about coins, to buy coins.

My attitudes changed over time. The reasons were that certification provided assurances that the coin was genuine, and the coin was easier to sell when that time came. Among all coins I quickly decided that the "old" commemoratives were prime candidates for certification because they were quite often marketed to investors and more novice collectors.

There are counterfeit examples of the "old" commemorative coins on the market. The Spanish Trail is one of them. There are also many problem coins that are not in slabs for a reason. If you pay even a discounted price below the usual levels, you can get stuck. Why take the chance?

From what I can see, you coin appears to be a nice MS-63 that has probably been dipped. The price structure of the Spanish Trail commemorative supports the notion that you should buy the best coin that you can afford. Using Gray Sheet numbers the bid in MS-60 is $925. The prices go up very gradually as your progress to MS-65 which is $1,050. If you are going spend over $900 for coin, why not spend only $125 more an get an MS-65? I know these are wholesale numbers, but the retail amounts reflect the same thing. There is very little spread in the price until you get to MS-66 and 67. When I bought my Spanish Trail there was very little spread between MS-65 and 66, so I bought an MS-66.

I just toss this out there for your consideration. Here is my Spanish Trail, which is in a PCGS MS-66 green label holder.

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Wow ... Very nice


I am sure if I ever get to fill that hole ... It won't be a coin as nice as that one.
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I am not opposed to slabbed coins, I have bought many and own some slabbed sets. My classic commem set is housed in a Dansco for the sake of uniformity (it's a fantastic display with accompanying stamps that I have shared part of here on the forum). I endorse slabs for the sake of resale. Coins I am buying for investment stay in their slabs.

I hear everything you are saying about authentication. I would need to be certain about a coin this pricey.
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The 2nd set of OP photos is easier to view.

Concur with billjones this is an authentic, MS example of this relatively expensive coin. The Old Spanish Trail issue has a fascinating story ... as I'm sure you have read and discovered on your own.

Congratulations on having acquired an example.

I'll add a bit of circulated collector perspective to billjones discussion on the price spread of this coin in MS state ...

This is an extremely rare coin to find in honestly circulated state ... during Commems "Days of Classic Commemorative" thread I wrote that the Old Spanish Trail is one of the 5 'stoppers' to a circulated type set ... coins that might never appear during a lifetime of searching.

I willingly paid more than MS65 graysheet for this example ... one of only two ever certified below AU.

1935 Old Spanish Trail Half Dollar - PCGS XF45

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That is a really rare coin, David. I've never seen another like it.

I'll try to guess the other four circulated, old commemorative "stoppers.'

Antietam
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billjones - Respect your interest in the circulated 'stoppers' ... but do not want to steal the OP thread.

You did get two of the other four correct!

Perhaps I'll spin up a separate thread on the topic.

David
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