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It APPEARS to be a 1793 S-6 (?), Vine & Bars, struck slightly off center. Small date, heavy bow. Obverse is rough in left field & reverse has some minor corrosion damage.
I'd really like for billjones or another person with lots of early-date experience to look at this coin.
I would recommend professional authentication either which way. If it's real, it's a $2000-$3500 coin or more, assuming S-6 is correct (an R3); the off center strike might add another 10-20% to that.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
04/01/2016 01:04 am
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My first thought was electrotype, but the picture of the edge makes me highly doubt that theory. Here is a genuine one in comparable condition: http://www.earlycoppercoins.com/179..._p_3242.htmlWhat I don't like about this coin is the bulbous details in the hair and eye. These were struck in pretty high relief, so any detail left would be very crisp, not like the bulbous stuff seen on this coin. It could be the picture softening things up. As I am not well-versed with this issue, I can't say things with 100% certainty. (For example, I am not sure what the genuine edge design looks like exactly) My gut tells me to not like it, and that is enough for me to stay away. As I am only 50-75% sure this coin is fake, I will not outright call it a fake. Other than the hair detail, this coin has the feel of a genuine coin. |
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My first impression of the OP coin was cast.Obverse much too mushy, unlike any S-6 I have ever seen. I would have serious reservations about this coin. Here are pictures of S-6. My pictures are not good, but one can see that even at this lower grade level one can expect to see more obverse detail than the op coin shows.   |
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For my education: What are the characteristics cast C/F or electro you two posters see on this?
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As a long time EAC member, it just doesn't look right. Weigh it. The edge tells me it is not an electro. I don't see any "casting marks". It could be real.
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My main concern is the color and certain of the details being a bit "fuzzy." But overall like I said I recommend that someone in your area who is very familiar with EAC should review the coin.
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My rule of thumb on any coin this old and/or valuable is to assume it's fake unless it has been professionally graded and slabbed (and even then I might want to get a second opinion). There's really just no excuse for a coin like this to be offered for sale raw.
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Agree it looks wrong - probably a cast fake and would be odd for someone selling such a suspect coin to keep it raw; why not pay the $20-$40 and get it graded if genuine.
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This seller has a large number of very questionable coins currently up for bid including early copper and Seated dollars. |
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I don't see why they are "very questionable." They all look fine to me.
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The coin is suspect to being a fake. I would not buy this coin as hair details are not crisp, the last 0 in 100 looks small, the berries look like bumps, and the berries wear pattern looks weird. There is no way that I am going to buy a $1800 coin from a seller who does not offer refunds.
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@TypeCoin971793 - There is a thread in the counterfeit forum about this seller's 1864 IHC. There looks to be some differences between a genuine example and the one the German ebay seller is hawking. https://goccf.com/t/257819On the Seated dollars - I don't like them, they appear to be very weakly stuck and don't have the detail I'd expect. Many of them have areas on the coin where detail is missing. |
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Quote:On the Seated dollars - I don't like them, they appear to be very weakly stuck and don't have the detail I'd expect. Many of them have areas on the coin where detail is missing. That's called wear. Almost every single one of his coins is a problem coin, so that might be playing a part in making the coins look weird. Edited by TypeCoin971793
04/04/2016 07:22 am
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