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Washington Quarter On SBA Or Foreign Planchet?

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Found this and was wondering if SBA prototypes were produced in 1977 or if it is maybe a foreign planchet? Any help is greatly appreciated as I cannot find any answers elsewhere.

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I would also like to add that this is not hammered as it may seem. There is Reeding all the way around the outer edge, especially where it seems it would have been hammered flat. I assumed that would be the case when I first saw it, but its not the case at all.
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@jimmyjohns7724, are you asking this question solely on the basis of the non-round planchet? If so, then it is highly likely that this is post-mint damage resulting from someone selectively squishing this coin in a vice. Can you also show a picture of the edge?
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The thing is that it IS in fact the same diameter as a quarter all the way around. If it was flat spotted on the outsides, I'd consider it obvious that somebody manipulated the original quarter. I will post a pic of the outer edges shortly. The flat spots around the edges on the face are the spots with the most reeding, so I think it's safe to assume that's not the case.
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The SBA has eleven segments. This coin has around double that number and the segments don't have a uniform size. This is someone manipulating a coin.

The bill to introduce the SBA came in 1978, and the original designed were non-round coins. There's no way the mint was experimenting with the final design of the SBA in 1977.
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I understand the SBA has 11 segments but if the outer rim was compressed to the circumference of a quarter, you would only see the inside edges. Being that it is smaller, I would think, if compressed the 11 sides could have the potential to warp. I'm not trying to sell it and I'm not factually saying it IS an SBA at all, just wondering what's going on with it.
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How about if you post the weight. A clad quarter should weigh 5.67 g (a bit less since this is circulated) and an SBA should weight 8.1 g.

Another reason why this is impossible is that the straight segments of the rim are formed during striking, not before. An SBA planchet struck by quarter dies would still have the circular rim of a quarter. Also, an SBA is still round- only the rim has 11 segments, so a planchet would just look like a normal round planchet.

The reeding also looks like it was partially eliminated, suggesting that it was hit or squeezed.

Another thing- since an SBA is 2.2 mm wider than a quarter, the planchet wouldn't be able to fit in the collar in the first place.
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BJ why you trollin bud If you don't know your facts, you're not the guy I was lookin for

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One other possibilty is that it is an early stage Dryer Coin. https://goccf.com/t/143863

I agree with numisma though that the coin was changed after minting.
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So you guys are trying to factually tell me there was no such thing as a Susan B Anthony coin even considered before 1978? And there's NO way that the mint had the planchets stamped on the rims before putting a face on a coin? And a regular SBA obviously weighs more than a quarter, that's common sense. But it's made of the exact same material as a quarter, and stamped to quarter dollar size, but would still weigh in over 8g? Hmm..seems to me maybe a legitimate, reputable coin dealer may have better knowledge than other guys who most likely found a different websource than I have to give me all of these "facts". Never mind and thanks for the laugh
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dspencer- That's possible, if it was only in the dryer for a cycle or two.
Anyway, regardless of what happened to it, we've produced plenty of evidence to eliminate any doubt that this is PSD.

Jimmyjohns7724- I didn't see your post before mine.


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So you guys are trying to factually tell me there was no such thing as a Susan B Anthony coin even considered before 1978?

I never said that.

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And there's NO way that the mint had the planchets stamped on the rims before putting a face on a coin?

Yes, that's right.

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And a regular SBA obviously weighs more than a quarter, that's common sense. But it's made of the exact same material as a quarter, and stamped to quarter dollar size, but would still weigh in over 8g?

As I said before, the coins are different sizes. I am stating the facts, so you can't exactly argue with them.

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Hmm..seems to me maybe a legitimate, reputable coin dealer may have better knowledge than other guys who most likely found a different websource than I have to give me all of these "facts". Never mind and thanks for the laugh

I've seen this plenty of times. A new member sees what they want to see and not what's actually there. If you still don't believe us, take it to a dealer. I bet they tell you the same thing.

I don't mean to be harsh, but you really aren't listening to what the rest of us have to say.
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Looks like a beat up quarter to me.
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An SBA is a good bit larger than a quarter and that's why it would weigh in at 8.1g. Cut down to the size of a quarter, it would weigh around the same as a quarter. I don't have a scale to measure tenths of grams at the moment, so you can be right. They were originally being designed in '76-'77 for vending machines to be around the size of a quarter. I'm not saying I don't believe you Numisma it was more for BJ claiming they weren't being made at all until 1978. That was incorrect. They also experimented with 12 sides, 13 sides, etc until they stuck with the 11. They werent originally round, and the reeding is much less obvious on the spots where the points would meet, not the flat spots that could have easily been done with hammers or files. I understand it being in question and with my luck, would not be surprised if it is just junk, but on the other hand, there could be more to it than just saying it's impossible. They were in existence at one point, probably not this one, but its not impossible. It was a question as to what you guys thought it may be. I know there were also foreign planchet being produced as well and that was completely ruled out? I guess it's something that needs seen in person to understand my question.
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I still think that if you're not sure you should take it to a reputable dealer. They should have a decent scale and can weigh your coin.
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That looks 21-sided. Yemen has one, but I gaurantee they're not minted here.
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