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Canada 1858 Full Vine ICCS Says Not

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Parusing the bay and saw this and confused why ICCS would not put full vine. Am I missing something?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1858-Canada-...AOSwJQdXAEN5
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 Posted 04/04/2016  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
look at 7 0'clock
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hmm not sure what you mean Nickels! the die crack?
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I do not look at this series often but the vine is not whole at the stem of the leaf the die crack goes through. I think....... LOL Like I said I do not do copper.
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Because if the owner of the coin does not ask for it to be included on the coin flap ICCS will not added it. Also to have it marked down on the yellow holder ICCS charges extra for that.
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Looking at the pictures, and I have to say they are very clear pictures, the coin appears to be Full Vine. I would guess the seller knows what he has and very likely indicated that to ICCS. So, either ICCS does not see it to be Full Vine or....actually I don't think there is OR. Clearly a full vine example here. Oh and the price the seller is asking is very reasonable.
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 Posted 04/04/2016  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JeyRey2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well thanks for the response coins. Great answer!
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I'm quite confident this is a full vine & full stem.
Using Rob Turners numbers it's OA2 with RA3.
Here's my example which was attributed by Rob. Mine's not as nice as the one being offered but they look the same.

Cheers, Bill

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Now you know why I dont collect copper.....LOL
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Very awesome post Bill, this is why I inquire with the experts. Lets see if I can make a fair offer.
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It's full vine, full stem alright, price is not to bad I would offer him a little less and see if he bites.
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There were three different die produced with full vine and stem before pieces started to break off the hub.
My understanding is that this one is the more common of the three. I'm not sure if there's any difference in the price for each.

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Quote:
Lets see if I can make a fair offer.


AU is a nice tough one to add to any collection..

Good luck..!!
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Looks like the seller has receive a few offers already.
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"There were three different die produced with full vine and stem before pieces started to break off the hub.
My understanding is that this one is the more common of the three. I'm not sure if there's any difference in the price for each."

This is indeed the commonest full vine die, by far. In my opinion this piece is definitely overpriced at $500, hence the several offers. The full vine dies are priced in Charlton as a group, just as most of the 1859/8 dies are. One assumes there are so few collectors of the separate dies in each group that pricing them individually in a general catalog doesn't make sense.
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 Posted 04/05/2016  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ICCS usually will only cert things in the FRONT of Charlton .. they don't deal with varieties from the back. That's a full vine
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