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Valued Member
United States
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I came across this listing and had to read it a few times before I realized the seller may actually be serious. Why bother cleaning your own coins? Have it done by the experts! "PCGS did the cleaning and grading......"  http://www.ebay.com/itm/222071088002 |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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PCGS restoration is quite expensive and takes a very long time. (4-6 weeks) They don't guarantee the coin will grade out. I've seen restoration attempts come back in Genuine holders, not even Details graded. Most of us do just as well with acetone, verdi-care, and green rose thorns. The starting price is insanely high for a cleaned/details 1921 Peace. Seller's language indicates that "All He Knows, He Learned From The Red Book." Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Valued Member
 United States
282 Posts |
I was thinking he may have misread the grammar on the label (or worst case is trying to mislead buyers) where it looked like it said "PCGS genuine cleaning" as opposed to generic cleaning?!?
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New Member
United States
43 Posts |
Not to even mention the 'last year' statement...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I was thinking he may have misread the grammar on the label (or worst case is trying to mislead buyers) where it looked like it said "PCGS genuine cleaning" as opposed to generic cleaning?!? Good point....it's a coin that was genuinely cleaned by PCGS  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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PCPS (Professional Coin Polishing Service) used the "belt sander + 20 cans of pledge" restoration method on this one.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
705 Posts |
I agree with Syeb and edweather on this
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I agree. IMO, that coin was black & not saleable. Probably should have just been "selectively" conserved and lightened. Now at least, some one should buy it.
The fact that there are so many black stains left on it is a testament that the PCGS conservation specialists are "rookies" when compared to the long established NCS group. And I don't wish to hear about all NCS's mistakes either.
I don't know how to "quote" posts here, but I have this to add: IMO, those of you who think that acetone, Verdi-care, and green thorns are used at the conservation services have NO CLUE. Actually, 1 out of 3 ain't bad for non-professionals.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I think the seller is completely clueless regarding the label notation, thinking it means that PCGS cleaned the coin instead of a previous owner who improperly cleaned it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The seller's comment that this coin "is going to get better over time," is really good for a laugh. The thing is a sow's ear with ugly, black silver corrosion on the reverse. It will age as well as vintage Ripple wine, the stuff that sold for 75 cents a bottle when I was in college. The frat guys used to make their pledges drink it warm so that they would throw up.
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The fact that there are so many black stains left on it is a testament that the PCGS conservation specialists are "rookies" when compared to the long established NCS group. And I don't wish to hear about all NCS's mistakes either.
I am Sorry but the fact is you really don't know what you are talking about. When a coin comes back in a "Details Cleaned" Slab it means that the coin was in that state BEFORE it arrived at PCGS. PCGS didn't Conserve/Clean this coin it was like that when they got it. This seller has just come up with a new "Spin" to try and sell his problem and rather butt ugly coin , that's all. Edited by trout1105
04/05/2016 5:00 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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 It was not "conserved" by PCGS at all. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree with Biokemist. Likely the seller has no idea what the label really says.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Before NCS works on a coin they let the consigner know if it is even worth the effort. On s coin like this paying most anything would have been a waste of time and money. I am quite sure that PCGS did not work on that coin.
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QUOTE: Skippypnb said: IMO, that coin was black & not saleable. Probably should have just been "selectively" conserved and lightened. Now at least, some one should buy it. The fact that there are so many black stains left on it is a testament that the PCGS conservation specialists are "rookies" END QUOTE
I agree. trout1105 has raised a "straw man" making up something NOT SAID OR IMPLIED in the post above in order to show his extensive knowledge. Skippypnb says NOTHING about WHO cleaned the coin or WHEN (pre-PCGS?) it was cleaned! He suggests that whomever decided to "fix" it did not do a very good job. Another poster explains that NGC reviews a coin before conservation and SOME ARE NOT TOUCHED. Skippypnb also suggested that perhaps a lightening would have been better.
QUOTE: trout1105 said about the above poster: "I am Sorry but the fact is you really don't know what you are talking about. When a coin comes back in a "Details Cleaned" Slab it means that the coin was in that state BEFORE it arrived at PCGS. PCGS didn't Conserve/Clean this coin it was like that when they got it." END QUOTE
Trout must be one of the "rookie" conservation "experts" working at PCGS as he claims to KNOW the state this coin was in before PCGS got hold of it. For your information, many coins have problems (often hidden under dark oxidation) that show up "better" after conservation. In a few cases, coins are also ruined by IMPROPER CONSERVATION techniques or chemicals during conservation.
It's my opinion also that the coin should have been "more gently" conserved.
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Valued Member
United States
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I think this topic may have gotten a bit out of hand. It seems obvious that PCGS did not clean or conserve this coin. The seller either intentionally or through ignorance, misrepresented this fact. I did not intend this to be a forum for the relative skills and expertise of PCGS vs. NGC conservation experts, rather on a misleading and funny to me listing.
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Posted 04/04/2016 11:18 pm
