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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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I bought this Burma 10 rupees recently. I already have several of this type (1942, watermarked) and have seen many more, but what caught my attention was the unusual look of the block letters; they are much heavier and more closely packed than normal. Also the watermarking is very faint and fuzzy. What I'm wondering is whether it's just a less common result of the shoddy production of these notes, or if it's an Allied forgery. Both the US and Britain counterfeited these but there doesn't seem to be any information for identifying them? The 'odd' block and the normal block for comparison.   |
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Valued Member
Canada
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There are 2 types listed in Krause and 3 types listed in banknote.ws
16a Block letters 6,5 mm wide
16b(1) Block letters 7 mm wide distance between Block letters about 6 cm
16b(2) Block letters 7 mm wide distance between Block letters about 6.5 cm
I am not aware of any counterfeit of these notes by the Allies. Can you share more information?
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New Member
United States
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Xavier - I suspect I have this exact same pick. Mine does not have the "issues" yours does though. Perhaps it's a bill that is legit (normal), but had some issues when it was printed? Perhaps the Japanese were not so studious in pulling defectives/problem notes and it was just one they should have yanked. Not an expert on occupational currency though. I suspect there are several books on this though as collecting occupation currency is an entire subset of militaria.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The diagnostic marks for identifying the Allied counterfeit notes are on the back. Please post an image of the back of the note.
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Valued Member
 United Kingdom
129 Posts |
Thanks for the replies. Sharebear: I came across some vague references to Allied forgeries of the Burma notes a while back, though it's only a few days ago that I found something more substantial here (from p49 onwards of this pdf): http://www.theibns.org/journals/get...nal_27-2.pdf MinneCoin: it may well just be one their printing quirks; some of these occupation notes are terrible! Especially the Malaya notes. lettow: the back of the note as requested  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 This is one of the diagnostics for a counterfeit note. This is from the OPs note pictured above. This is the "long line" version which indicates a genuine note. The absence of a line indicates an OSS counterfeit. A short line may be genuine or an SOE counterfeit. If there is a watermark and a short line it is genuine. If there is no watermark and a short line it is an SOE counterfeit. I will try to find images of the short line version to post so you can see the difference. I recommend anyone interested in JIM notes purchase Greg Hale's new book. He was a speaker at the recently concluded MPCFest. You can find more information on JIM and order a copy of the book on his website. http://www.japaneseinvasionmoney.com.au/ |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Details of the Allied counterfeits for all the JIM series can also be found in Schwan-Boling's book World War II Remembered.
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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Lettow - thank you for all the help with this. It indeed seems that these slightly odd letters are just a printing quirk. It's handy for future reference to know what to look out for regarding the forgeries. I've the info for most, but not for any of the Burma notes until now.
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New Member
Malaysia
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Printing quirks on these block letters are quite common. I have Malaya and Netherlands Indies JIM as well. There are noticeable differences in the block letter formats.
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Pillar of the Community
Hong Kong
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I can only see some colour fibres on the notes of this type but I can't see any watermark here. Do anyone sure genuine notes have watermarks?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
742 Posts |
The watermark is a floral design. I just went through a group of about 150 of these and they all had watermarks.
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Pillar of the Community
Hong Kong
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Pillar of the Community
Hong Kong
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P.S. The two notes posted seems to be two variations, one has colour fibres and the other no fibres.
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New Member
Malaysia
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The earlier batches of JIM notes do have watermarks of Kiri flowers. In the later part of the war, they were replaced with the silk threads/fibers.
Edited by orion68
04/28/2016 09:57 am
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Pillar of the Community
Hong Kong
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Thank you your extra information to me, orion.
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Posted 04/05/2016 11:14 pm
