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Possible 1831 Capped Bust Half In Collar, First Strike Mirror Brockage.

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 Posted 04/10/2016  12:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Interestednovice to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello, I recently inherited a coin collection from my Grandfather. One of the coins is from 1831 and appears to be a mis-struck coin. I am trying to learn more about types of errors but I am not sure what this mistake would be called. If anyone could provide such information I would greatly appreciate you help. Just a little information and background on this coin. It is from 1831and I believe it is a capped bust, I am not sure of the denomination. The coin does not have the eagle on the back like I have seen but looks to be struck again from behind by the same die and the front but the image is inverted. I was told my Great Grandfather carried this in his pocket as a good luck charm so the condition is not the greatest but for the year I think it is very good.

Possible-1831-Capped-Bust-Half-In-Collar,-First-Strike-Mirror-Brockage.

Possible-1831-Capped-Bust-Half-In-Collar,-First-Strike-Mirror-Brockage.

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 Posted 04/10/2016  1:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Timewise44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am by no means an expert and the pictures are out of focus. That being said, it does appear to be a ' Half Dime' Capped Bust. But the Reverse should be an Eagle. Could be a 'mint error' which would increase the value, or could be some kind of attempt to create a coin looking like a mint error. What bothers me about this coin is that the wear is radically different when comparing both sides....
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 Posted 04/10/2016  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this would be an amazing and valuable coin if real. it is a brockage. youre in luck if it is genuine.
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 Posted 04/10/2016  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that is an imitation of one side of a US coin. Is it even of silver?

Could someone explain how any mint process could create such an item?
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 Posted 04/10/2016  3:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
+1 for "brockage, very rare and valuable if real, not an expert/not good enough photos to say further".


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Could someone explain how any mint process could create such an item?

IIRC, when an already struck coin ends up stuck to one die, the resulting strikes look like that.

I don't know much about how brockages are actually made, unfortunately.
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Is the inverted image incused? Here is an example of a brockage:

Possible-1831-Capped-Bust-Half-In-Collar,-First-Strike-Mirror-Brockage.

I am just a novice too.
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Can you provide an accurate weight for this? That will help determine if its even worth trying to figure out.
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 Posted 04/10/2016  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Interestednovice to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, I did not expect replies this quickly. Like I said I inherited this coin. I live in upstate NY, does anyone know where I might go to have this evaluated. I am sorry for the poorly focus pics. will try to repost better pics this evening. I will also include a comparison for size. It is about as big as a half dollar coin.
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I've sent a note to Mr. D to check this out.
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Try your local coin shop, but IMO, do not do anything. Post to this thread what the coin shop told you and get the experts advice on what to do next. If you have access to a digital scale, as BigSilver said, try to determine the weight.
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If you are near Middletown NY try going to Dart Coin and stamp shop.
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 Posted 04/10/2016  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If genuine, it would be an in-collar, first-strike brockage (a.k.a. "mirror brockage"). The planchet represented by your coin was inserted on top of a previously-struck coin and the two discs were struck together. Such errors are quite valuable.

Please be advised that most conventional coin dealers know diddly-squat about errors.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Ok the weight is 13.3 Grams. I placed a Liberty half dollar for size comparison. I do live near Middletown NY. I have several horror stories when dealing with coin dealers as opposed to coin collectors. Can anyone enlighten me on how I should proceed with this?

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Honestly, a lot dealers don't know much about errors. Large clear pictures here would likely get you better advice.
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Maybe try submitting to PCGS or NGC.
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I am thinking this coin should be sent into NGC or ANACS,
Just to get a professional opinion on what it is.
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