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 Posted 04/15/2016  12:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add greenprint to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I don't think it's like really a money making adventure or anything but really a way to try and beat inflation. Like lets say I buy a 100 oz bar and get free shipping at .39 above spot. I amble to sell at spot at my LCS. Lets say I wait for spot to go up a dollar since I bought it so I make $61. You factor in the amount I spend on gas to get to my LCS and I'm looking at less than $60 profit. IDK if it's really worth the risk. But I guess the idea is that it's better to take the risk than let the 1600+ dollars sit in the bank? Like I think you would need a lot of money to make substantial profit off of this. For any small time investors like myself I'm not sure it makes since.

Like if I bought 10,000 ounces at .39 over spot and get free shipping. Wait for spot to go up by a dollar since I bought it and sell at spot. Than I would make $6100 profit (if you don't include gas or shipping it to a purchaser).

It just seems that the amount of money you would need to make the initial purchase would have to be very large to do much with the money you make off of it.

I mean I guess worse case scenario it goes down and your stuck with 10,000 ounces of silver. Not to mention the security risks of storing 10,000 ounces lol.
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04/15/2016 12:44 am
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 Posted 04/15/2016  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MontanaCMR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome,

Many on this site enjoy silver collecting as a hobby, and not as an investment. If you are looking to buy/sell on a dollar change in spot, I wouldn't even think of physical purchases.

Some buying physical plan to hold for a minimum of 5-10 years, others longer. In a sense, this is no different than buying a home, and selling when the price goes up a small percent. Most figure at least 5 years in a home to break even.

Anyways, just my opinion.
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 Posted 04/15/2016  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Investing in commodities is a huge risk. Silver could just as easily go down a dollar as up. I do not think that anything we can say can eliminate the risk. I know that many analyze charts and conclude that silver is going to go up or down, but I personally do not believe that price movements are so predictable.

I agree with @MontanaCMR, investing in silver is not a get a method to make money quickly.

Do you know for sure that your LCS will buy at spot? My LCS will not buy for that much.

Unless they are heavy volume dealers, they need to buy at a bit below spot because of the risk of the volatile silver market.
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 Posted 04/15/2016  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bnmakr1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The problem with your plan is as soon as you buy you are in the hole. Buy silver futures.
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 Posted 04/20/2016  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As posted ... never heard of a LCS paying spot for silver
bars or rounds. $1.50 to $2.00 back of spot is more common.

How do you make a profit on silver .. only one way.

Buy silver and do not sell it unless it is for more than you paid for it.

Many people can not take the ups and downs silver has over
the long term.

Buy silver and hold.
If the price of silver goes down, buy more.

If you can't do that, stay away from silver.

Silver is best as a hobby.

Can be like insurance, that you hope you never have to use.
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 Posted 04/20/2016  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parklane64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A good haven for holding value, is my final answer.
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My 'investment' gains over the last seven years have been quite negative.
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Buy 10,000 ounces of silver? $160,000? No way. I like silver but not that much. Maybe 10% of that amount as a long term hedge stack.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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 Posted 04/20/2016  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ugh... Doing it solely for profit. Go for it and report back.
The time to do this was in the 1930s and 1970s for obvious reasons.
Put that money towards your dream career and it'll pay for itself both financially and emotionally. Invest in YOU.
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 Posted 04/20/2016  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greenprint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yea I don't think you can really invest short term in Silver unless you had a large amount. Don't major online PM traders pay spot? And yeah I couldn't believe that my LCS pays spot! And Ya even if you bought like 100 oz and it goes up a dollar and once you factor in shipping and gas you don't make much money off of it. That's why I was like if you bought an absurd amount like 10,000 onces and waited for silver to go up a dollar and sold for spot and made just under 10k profit, and then just rinsed and repeat time and time again, that I could see being beneficial.

I don't have enough cash to buy 10k profit, well I don't own my own place yet and saving up to purchase a cheap home in about a year so I don't want to take that risk yet. But yeah if you had like 17k sitting around doing nothing and in good shape why not.

I was just wondering if there were any big time dealers who try this.

I'm thinking in the middle of the next recession when it bottoms out I'll buy lots and than sell within 1-2 years into the recovery years to see if I can get a profit.

Could you imagine buying 10,000 ounces of silver in 2008 and selling during April 2011 and 5 times your money profit . Could buy a car or two or even a cheap home haha

I think next recession will be even worse and the gains better I'm betting on the next recession for profit purposes
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04/20/2016 10:54 pm
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Quote:
never heard of a LCS paying spot for silver bars or rounds.


Got $.50 above spot for a roll of generic when silver was moving up. Happened to have the roll on me, and the LCS had a buyer ready.

Have a long-standing relationship with my LCS. Generally they give me at least spot for bullion silver and gold that I bought from them. But then, I mostly buy sovereign bullion, not generic -- sometimes I get sovereign bullion for spot or near spot.
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 Posted 04/21/2016  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greenprint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah but I don't know if it's really worth the risk unless you invest a serious amount of money into PM.

Like lets say I buy $1000 worth of silver from SD Bullion buying the .49 cents over spot rounds

1000/(17.24+.49) = 1000/17.73 ~ 56 ounces ~ $992.88
+ 7.78 S&H fee = 1000.66
7.78/56 ounces = .14

So I end up paying .49+.14 = .63 over spot per ounce
Lets say silver goes up a dollar in spot since I bought it and I some how sell at spot I make .47 an ounce or $26.32 profit which is less than an hour of work pay for most people that have money sitting around to invest. Don't forget that sometimes it can be hard to buy so close to spot not to mention selling at spot.

I don't see it really being worth the risk unless you invest a substantial amount of cash into silver. People freak out when silver shoots up by a dollar or two a day. Unless though people own a substantial amount of silver it's not really much of a large profit. Even if some how you double your 1,000 dollar investment, and sold for 2,000 USD total and made a thousand dollars was it really worth the risk?

I'm thinking unless a potential return is worth at least one paycheck than it's not really worth it, and when you consider that most people who have extra money sitting around make more than double 1k a paycheck and that 1000 is probably like 1/2 of what they get a paycheck... I don't know that it's really worth it.

I can see chearing and jumping up and down when silver jumps by a dollar if you owned 1000s and thousands of ounces, but otherwise I just don't see the risk being worth it.

Perhaps if you knew that it was likely it would triple or 5x in price. I think in order for that to happen the next recession will have to hit and we would have to wait until the recovery years. However if the next recession is worse that 2008-2009, which I fear it may be, or that the next recession will mean the collapse of the dollar, than we may have more important things to worry about like finding food to eat and so forth, and won't have extra money to invest

if the dollar collapses than it might be good to buy silver now... but if inflation shoots through the roof and milk costs 100 USD and minimum wage is 80 USD an hour than it'll be fine.

I just think shot term is not so could unless you invest a large amount, otherwise invest for long term to keep up with inflation.
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04/21/2016 10:24 pm
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 Posted 04/21/2016  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Based on my study:
1 Oz Eagle/Maple gold coin has the best discount rate, about 3 to 4% (e.g. $100 buy, $96 sell to LCS).
1 Oz Eagle/Maple silver coin is 9 to 10% ($100 buy, $90 sell)

For other high premium coins, the discount rate are even higher, 20 to 50% ($100 buy, $50 sell).
If you want to make profit in a short term, you should buy silver related stocks instead of physical silver.
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How do u buy those? I know close to nothing about stocks besides the history of it. And it costs money to sell shares? Sorry I'm a noon at it. Like what site do u use?
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 Posted 04/22/2016  02:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can google silver related stock or "silver index" symbol.
For stock trading, you can use "interactive broker". Their commission is very low, I think $1.00 per trade and you can trade online. You MUST do more research before doing it.
Remember, stock market = casino. You can lose a lot of money simply by pressing a "buy" or "sell" button. You should "invest", not "gambling" (never do day trading)!
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