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1943 Australian Penny Question

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 Posted 04/16/2016  12:17 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ccnz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
1943 Melbourne Australian Penny - HP Mint Mark.

Is it common to find on the obverse side of the coin - no HP mint mark at the bottom of Geroge's neck?

I have asked a few people, but nobody replies to this question?

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 Posted 04/16/2016  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add airgem to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't say common but scarce. A lot of these wartime issues are lower quality and dies were flogged to death resulting in weak areas. This particular variety exists in varying stages of intensity, from weak but visible to no trace of HP. To the naked eye it may seem to have no trace but when a photo is taken you may be able to make out the faint letters, which is what I see here.
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 Posted 04/17/2016  04:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ccnz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I looked at the coin under a magnifying glass and still could not see any mint marks. So I took a few more photos ...



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 Posted 04/17/2016  05:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its almost certainly a filled die.
These are interesting however there is little interest.
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What is a filled die?
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A "filled die" occurs when grease, gunk or other incompressible debris fills in part of the detail from a die, causing parts of the design of coins struck by that die to disappear. "Missing mintmarks", "missing dates" and "missing letters" are almost always caused by filled dies, rather than a failure to add the feature to the die in the first place.
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Yeah,usually,but not always,towards the end of a Die's life,they don't bother 'polishing/cleaning' it if they find minor irregularities,at least that what I was told and led to believe.
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 Posted 04/18/2016  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ccnz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Quite possibly a die fill ... there is a blob over the area near where the mint mark should be.
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HP is not a mint mark; it is the initials of the obverse designer: Thomas Humphrey Paget.

Although the pictures are out of focus, I think I can still see vestiges of the designer's initials, although I also think that the die in this area is at least partially filled, (probably with grease).

The mint marks for this date are as follows:
Melbourne Mint: no mint mark
Perth Mint: dot after PENNY (reverse)
Bombay Mint: I under truncation of the neck. (obverse)
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Here are some more photos. My camera is not very good because it is quite hard to get a decent photo without it going out of focus. Hopefully these are better.



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Here is another one, but this one is a bit damaged

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