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1853 Arrows And Rays Quarter For Grading

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By early 1850s the gold discovery in California had caused in imbalance in the price of silver relative to gold. All of the silver coins that the U.S. Mint system had issued up to that point, with the exception of the tiny Silver Three Cent Piece, had a melt value that exceeded their face value. In response Congress authorized a reduction in the weight of every silver coin except the silver dollar. That exception probably reflected a misguided notion that preserving the weight of the flagship silver coin would insure its integrity. All it did was make the silver dollar less likely to be seen in circulation.

To show that the new Half Dimes, dimes, quarter and half dollars had lower weights, the mint system placed arrows to the right and left of the date. In addition rays were placed around the eagle on the reverse of the quarter and half dollars. This feature would only appear on the quarter and half dollar in 1853 thus creating a one year type.

The 1853 Arrows and Rays quarters and half dollars are fairly common coins because their mintages were quite high for the period. Yet both of these coins are scarce in strictly Mint State condition. One reason for this scarcity is few people thought to save them because 1853 was four years short of the collector boom that started in the United States after the passing of the large cent. Therefore a lot of these coins got just a brush of wear which leaves them just short of Mint condition. Another reason why these coins are scarce in Choice Mint State (MS-63 or better) is that they were struck from "tired dies" due to their high mintages.

At any rate is an 1853 Arrows and Rays quarter for your review. What do you think it grades?

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 Posted 04/18/2016  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
guess at MS64
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MS-64 minimum.
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MS 64. Beautiful coin in uncirculated. The rays look cool.
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Agree 64 minimum. Struck from rusted die (right obverse field)? Super nice example.
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this is one of my favorite coins and just stunning in MS. MS65.

thanks for history lesson as I never knew that about the arrows. I've learned more about coin history as a member here for a couple years than I did in the previous 50.
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Superb coin!

A bit easy to over grade these coins.
To my eye, in MS grades, (due to the many high points that protect the adjoining field) the reverse often seems to be better than the reverse.

That seems to be the case here, also; there seems to be more tiny nicks in the right obverse field, than on the reverse.

Try to exercise your eyes, looking for tiny nicks on the high points on both sides. Perhaps then there may be less of a problem with differential grading of each side.

Having said that, I will still leave it up to others to offer their own grading opinion. I do not want to offer my opinion, to bias what follows.

I prefer to read other opinions instead, in this case.
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Gorgeous coin! I'll say MS-64. Possibly slight uneven toning on the obverse, but it might be just the lighting.
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Outstanding MS64. Beautiful die cracks, original luster & slight patina. Simply a superb specimen for the type.

dsfreeworld ought to enjoy this one.
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MS-64
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MS-64.
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NGC graded this 1853 With Arrows Quarter MS-61. Part of the reason for the low grade may have been due to the fact that it has been dipped and now has a white appearance.

Dipped coins are on the outs with a fair number of advanced collectors these days. Some of these guys equate dipped with cleaned, which is clearly wrong. Some of them have been pushing that narrative to the extent where dipped coins should be labeled as "cleaned coins" on the holder. I've been pushing back on that idea HARD. No collector should be dumping on other people's coins for that collector's benefit.
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If this came back as an MS61 and it was my coin I'd raise heck and hammer a reconsideration, and/or immediately cross it to PCGS. MS61 is flat out ludicrous.
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Now that it has come back from grading, I will allow myself to comment that
it looks like NGC takes the lowest graded side to give to grading to, for the coin as a whole.

I feel that this coin grades differently on each side.
The lowest graded side (obverse), I would have thought would have come out at
MS62,
the highest graded side (reverse), at MS64.

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I'd resend it out....NGC was harsh on this one.
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This coin should've been MS-63 at the LEAST.
Great looking coin
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