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 Posted 04/19/2016  07:47 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi guys 1920 penny dots above both scrolls I have never heard of such a variety . I know of 8 possible varieties but not this one.

Ind obv no dots , double dots (above and below top and bottom scrolls), dot above bottom scroll , dot below bottom scroll and dot above top scroll.

Eng Obv. No dots , dot above bottom scroll ,dot below bottom scroll.

This one apparently is a double dot but with both dots above the scrolls.? I am not aware of this version.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1920-Pen...AOSwiYFXFfd4
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 Posted 04/19/2016  08:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Link no workee,do you have a item number.
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 Posted 04/19/2016  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Basil I should have tried that link. Try these.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1920-Pen...AOSwiYFXFfd4

ebay item number:

322080134227

The coin is poor condition , but I'm more interested in that variety. I have not seen it before but have always wondered why it wasn't uses as it was the only combination that wasn't. Well maybe it was.? Thank you for taking the time Basil.
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 Posted 04/19/2016  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This might be it:Item# 322080134227

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 Posted 04/19/2016  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a my opinion on it is its just a dot above bottom scroll penny with a blemish over the top scroll that they think maybe a dot. The pics are poor so its hard to tell.

Just my opinion.
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 Posted 04/19/2016  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW clever nevol , yes that's it. What do you think genuine or not.? Its a very unusual mint mark if its real. I have checked everywhere I cant find any reference to this mint mark.

I still think its just a dot above bottom scroll penny with a blemish over the top scroll.

But I guess until either a better pic or in hand its going to be hard to tell.
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 Posted 04/19/2016  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
What do you think genuine or not.? Its a very unusual mint mark if its real. I have checked everywhere I cant find any reference to this mint mark.


It would be a first if genuine,the lower dot is nice and central but sitting a bit high,its probaly a bubble,looks like there are 3 or 4 others near the lower scroll.Coin needs a decent photo or scan,another seller on my "do not deal with"list.
Neal would be your best bet to line up the Die pairings.

ebay Oz. is going through a bad patch at the moment,lots of Fakes,misrepresented Coins,fuzzy Photos,dipped silver being sold as genuine Patina,and just plain Fraud.Extreme Buyer beware.
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 Posted 04/19/2016  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Basil. Yes I am hoping Neal happens a long as I know he is the man that knows it all about the 1920 penny.

I have a small fascination with the 1919/20 pennies because of the vast varieties. Its rather unique. The Lon die 1920 pennies are the hardest to find.

I just cant see this being the real deal hence I made a query here.

Thank you Basil, And yes I'm very wary about ebay when I buy, I have bought a fake 1925 penny some time back that I did get my money back for. And I still have that fake to remind me to be CAREFULL. Again thank you for your input.
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 Posted 04/19/2016  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pictures not good enough to make a call on the dot over top scroll, but I suspect it's just 'wishful thinking' on the sellers part.

Not even 100% on the dot over bottom scroll as I'm not too schooled up on these coins.
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 Posted 04/19/2016  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes agreed, I can see the dots but, 1 I'm not sure they are genuine dots or just faults like bubbles as you said , The bottom one looks to high and the top one is very faint.

I just have never seen or heard of these mint marks. Hmm got me a little stumped.

If it is a real one is as rare as they come. It would be the only one know of I think. Very interesting.
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 Posted 05/04/2016  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nealeffendi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, the coin is a Dot Above Bottom Scroll penny. The particular die pair (which I recognise) has a die chip to the left of the fork of the Y. It isn't rare (I have 800+ examples of this particular die pair) and there is no dot above the top scroll.
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 Posted 05/07/2016  06:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Nealeffendi, I new you could sort it out.

I new it was at least a dot above bottom scroll and didn't think the top one was a mint mark.

Just as well I never bought it. I was going to just to take a look hehehe. Thank you again Neal.
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