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Rest in Peace
Canada
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After all the concern over the counterfeit superman coins, I have a concern for the COA's that accompany all of the coins purchased direct from our own mint. Has anybody else noticed on the most recent releases (M/C release 'The Polar Bear' - that the COA's have been down graded in quality again. In the past they were folded, with loads of information on about 5 or 6 'folds'. They were then down sized to only 3 squares of information - however, on the same sort of 'card-stock' making them continue to feel official. The new ones I received the The Polar Bear coins is simply white paper. Still with gold and black printing, but no sheen to the paper or print as we've been used to. What are your thoughts? I know, I too collect coins, and not the packaging, but this is the COA - which should be proof that the coin is real, and it certainly shouldn't feel like a photocopy. Instead, they should have the same authenticity of our 'paper' currency.  Edited by Dcadon
05/11/2016 1:41 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Agreed Dcadon. I haven't seen one of the newest COAs but they should not be easily created with a photocopier or printer. Geesh, how many COA #1 will be floating around of that is the case?! I don't know why but I always thought/assumed that the Canadian Banknote Company produced the COAs. Maybe the Mint just decided to run them off the office HP instead.  |
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Canada
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I see, that they already implemented "Not Numbered" COA on the high premium coins (not only on the Bullion Replica)
and no mintage mentioned, no Signature of the Mint main boss. Or all of these on the other side of Certificate?
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Canada
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If an item was purchased on the 2dary market, the COA either forged or an original was swapped, since the Certificate of Authenticity is not a lifelong money-back guarantee by RCM anyway, I view it as a descriptive part of the packaging. I imagine the day will come when RCM lists numerous conditions on the COA, one of them being the certification is "not transferable". |
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United States
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It should at the very least be on good card stock. I hate that this is something that places like the Danbury Mint have always done right. They sell you a piece of crap collectible with a very nice COA that is numbered on good card stock describing the item you spent way too much money on.
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This is the first "not numbered" COA that I have seen. What is on the flip side of the picture above?
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05/11/2016 3:43 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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This is the first "not numbered" COA that I have seen. What coins are affected? Is there a policy or reason for the change? It could be on the other side. Let the coin owner to confirm. But 2014 SML Bullion Replica / Premium version SML comes with the COA without serial number. Or "re-packed" 1912-1914 BoC Gold single coins come also with the COA without being numbered. Btw, for the true picture, it will be more correct - no dedicated serial number (totally unnecessary), or in opposite - the serial number looks more cool, if engraved on the coin 9or coin edge). |
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Sorry for the confusion. Yes, I wanted the most 'english' on the coa - which is the side without the certificate number - alternative explanation... keeping the image out of the forgers hands with my coa?
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Canada
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I wasn't too impressed with the lower quality paper myself. I opened mine to look at it and I was like "what the heck". It really gives it that feel of a Mass Produced product. Heck, even the 20 for 20 coins get better COA. A hundred bucks for $15 bucks worth of silver should really include better stuff with it.
This is the first COA in an innovative new series featuring classic Canadian icons highlighted with cutting-edge design and technology through a unique use of plain white paper.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I would think it would be easier to forge COA's, than the coins themselves. Ask any any identity card forger, valuable stamp faker, or banknote counterfeiter.
We have also read threads here on the CCF, of slabs being faked.
I do not have any experience from pictures alone, and without a known genuine example COA alongside, on how to decide if fake in this case.
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Rest in Peace
Canada
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sel_691 My concern isn't (at this point) weather I have a counterfeit COA, it's that the ones produced by the mint have become easier to copy. The most recent (as seen above) is simply white paper with printer ink on it. This is indicative of the mint cutting down on their production as before the card stock was better, the lettering was 'raised' print etc, etc. It was something better than photocopies, or HP Inkjet printer.
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05/11/2016 8:16 pm
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Valued Member
Canada
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I have noticed the downward trend with COAs as well. I'd be game to see (and even pay a dollar or so more for) a nice numbered hologram seal on the COA. In my mind, this document establishes all credibility... without an authentic COA, a NCLT coin is just a piece of high-priced metal.
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without an authentic COA, a NCLT coin is just a piece of high-priced metal.
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Canada
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I, too , was shocked when I looked at the COA for this iconic polar bear coin. Are they just getting cheap with printing or are they now trying to distinguish the master club offerings of coins with white COA'S? P.S. I am still upset about the RCM removing the stories that surround the coin from the COA's. Edited by New1954
05/12/2016 07:55 am
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Australia
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Due to the proliferation of counterfeits of NCLT or Bullion coins on the market now the only COA that has any sort of relevance is what is issued by whatever TPG a coin is graded by and even then this can be faked. The only thing I look for on a COA is the serial number. If this is low then there is a good chance that the coin is from a fresh die, Otherwise it is just another bit of paper that comes with your coin . |
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If this is low then there is a good chance that the coin is from a fresh die That is false; at least with the RCM. The number on the COA has no relation to the order in which the coin was minted. A lower COA may indicate that the COA was printed earlier but it does not mean the coin was produced with a fresh die or even increase the chance that it is an early strike. Unfortunately, it is commonly inferred that a low number means early minting and some people will even pay a premium to get a low number based on that mistaken belief. Hence, why an easily 'counterfeited' COA is a temptation for sellers to create value with their home printer. |
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