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1652 Pine Tree Shilling

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 Posted 05/15/2016  07:25 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add stamfordc to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

I recently found a 1652 Pine Tree Shilling in an old coin collection, I have attached images of both sides below. The coin measures 23mm in diameter and what fascinates me is the interesting die flaw on the side of the tree image. Also on the reverse there are signs of double striking.

I am not an expert on American coins infact I live in England and subsequently where I found this shilling so any advice/info on this coin would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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 Posted 05/15/2016  07:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A cursory glance says it looks genuine. I believe this is the small planchet variety.
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 Posted 05/15/2016  07:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stamfordc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks for your reply TypeCoin971793, in regards to the die flaw/strike what would you say it's unusual or common for the minting of this particular coin?

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 Posted 05/15/2016  08:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GERMANICVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks good to me, and an example of the Pine Tree small planchet Noe-29 variety.
The strike is weak as can be seen on bottom of the obverse and reverse, with devices and lettering missing. This is not at all uncommon in this type of coinage.


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 Posted 05/15/2016  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add billjones to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is an interesting coin, and I agree that it appears to be a Noe 29, small planchet variety. The small planchet Pine Tree Shillings were among the last of the Massachusetts coins. It was said that perhaps the British were getting ready to clamp down on the coinage of these pieces, which were technically illegal for the Massachusetts Bay Colony to authorize for production. At any rate the Massachusetts Mint closed after mint master, John Hull, died in 1682.

The one word of caution that I would attach to this piece is that it will need to be certified by PCGS or NGC to get the best price for it. PCGS weighs every piece, if the coin comes up short according their standards, it does not get a "clean grade."

This piece is unusual in that it has a large void in the design which appears to be the result of a failed die. According to Q. David Bowers in his book Whitman Encyclopedia of Colonial and Early American Coins, the Noe 29 variety usually comes well stuck. This piece obviously is not.

Here is the small planchet Pine Tree Shilling from my collection. This is a Noe 16, which is a common variety.

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 Posted 05/15/2016  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 732amran to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice cool interesting coin u got here.
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 Posted 05/15/2016  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stamfordc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you everyone for your messages, I've learned a lot in the space of a day. I think i'll contact NGC or PCGS and hopefully get this coin slabbed and take it from there. Exciting times!
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Smart move.
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Absolutely get it slabbed. And let me add, this coin has a great original uncleaned look. I've bought many coins from the UK and most have been untouched and left alone. So many coins here have been cleaned over the ages. Love the look!
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 Posted 05/16/2016  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steviegetz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice coin!, theres a lot of factors that come into valuing these. yours is a fairly popular variety, one that you'll see surface a few times each year. others can require time and patience. they do sell rather quickly when priced right tho. if you don't plan on selling it right away you might appreciate keeping out of the slab. it's nice being able to hold and feel it.
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