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EPQ Vs. PPQ Impact On Value Of Star Note?

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 Posted 05/17/2016  10:18 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Timewise44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I recently had a $5 1914 Federal Reserve Note Kansas City Star Note Fr.#883a* graded by PMG. It came back
Very Fine 30 EPQ*.

Being a newbie can someone tell me what, if any, impact an EPQ vs. a PPQ could have on the value of this note?

I do have two examples of similar notes both Fr.#883a* that sold in the last few years, but both were rated PPQ....

Thanks in advance for any comments/ perspective...


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 Posted 05/17/2016  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lettow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
EPQ and PPQ mean the same thing just different companies. The terminology is considered proprietary to the TPG company. PMG uses EPQ and PCGS uses PPQ.
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 Posted 05/17/2016  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add techwriter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Timewise, the 'Q' designations probably increase the price.
From PMG Grading Standards:
"An Exceptional Paper Quality (EPQ) note is, in the opinion of PMG graders, completely original. EPQ notes will not have been physically, chemically, or materially processed to give the appearance of a higher grade. Notes exhibiting normal wear-and-tear for their grade are eligible. All notes graded Very Fine 25 and higher will be evaluated for the EPQ designation. Notes must qualify for the EPQ designation to grade Gem Uncirculated 65 and higher."

From PCGS Grading Standards:
To distinguish notes that bear all the hallmarks of complete originality and outstanding paper quality for the grade, we will affix a "PPQ" (Premium Paper Quality) designation to the grade (e.g.: "Gem New 65PPQ"). These are notes that bear no visible evidence of restoration and that retain all signs of fully original paper quality, such as paper wave, embossing, and bold ink color and eye appeal. "PPQ" notes should also have above average paper for the grade that is free of defects such as tears, pinholes, or other problems. This is not done to penalize those notes that are not fully original, as many are very collectible and highly valuable. Instead, this system is designed to reward those notes, both circulated and New, that possess premium paper quality and complete originality. It should be understood that even though a note may be fully original and free of any restoration, it still might not qualify for the "PPQ" designation."
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 Posted 05/17/2016  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Timewise44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good Stuff....thanks to all1`!
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I agree with Tech and lettow, and will add, typically advanced collectors will gravitate towards collectible paper currency that has a EPQ/PPQ designation. Original paper qualities notations usually weed out problem notes. The TPG's have gotten pretty good at detecting washed, pressed, trimmed and repaired notes. They may not catch them all, after all they're human.

CGA uses OPQ (original paper quality) and Superior uses SPQ (superior paper quality). All of these designations imply original paper.
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Well said. As noted here before, it is virtually impossible to reasonably gauge paper quality from a sealed TPG holder, so you're pretty much just taking their word for it, but then so is everyone else. PQ paper will almost always bring a better price in higher grades. Centering is the principal issue on 64-66 graded TPG notes in PQ paper holders, and boy you see some wacky stuff here.

Many high-end PM collectors lean toward PMG holders because PMG will not give a Gem grade (65 or better) to a note unless it has PQ paper, while PCGS and CGA will. Draw your own conclusions.
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 Posted 05/24/2016  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Centering is the principal issue on 64-66 graded TPG notes in PQ paper holders, and boy you see some wacky stuff here.


Ain't that the truth frog.

Those middle grades are sometimes a coin toss. We have all seen 64's that maybe should have been 65's, and 65's that easily could have been 66's. The higher (Super GEM) notes tend to hold their own. Most 67 and up notes are truly spectacular, especially the large size, iconic notes.
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 Posted 05/25/2016  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Timewise44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You guys have pointed me to two other $5 1914 Federal Reserve Notes, Kansas City, Star Notes Fr.#883a* graded by PMG the same as mine graded Very Fine 30 EPQ*. When looking at one of those notes, I noticed that the reverse side has substantial staining on the paper, right in the center of the note. I do not understand how one with stains and one without could have the same grades?

Any of you have some perspective on this, or is it all just real subjective...?
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