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mdpmedia Pillar of the Community United States 3546 Posts	Posted 05/22/2016 07:32 am Someone just introduced me what to look for on Mercury dimes to ID split bands and I would like to get some consensus agreement from CCF readers on: 1) what are the most sought after years and mint marks in order of values for split band dimes? 2) why does one year command a higher premium compared to other years even though the grade may be the same for all of the split band years being compared? 3) the following ebay URL is a split band with the middle one not being totally separated. a. why does this coin still qualify as a MS 64 if the middle band appears not to be separated as a result of some type of wear? I have always understood that for 'any' coin to qualify as even a MS 60, no wear can be present whatsoever. b. what makes this coin not have wear on the middle band? 4) and how can one distinguish (w/o sending it in to a TPG) between a poorly struck SB vs a worn 'SB'? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1918-D-Merc...182133182052 I'd like answers to all four of the above inquiries. thx Report this Post to the Staff

T-BOP Rest in Peace United States 18456 Posts	Posted 05/22/2016 08:55 am Lets see if I can clarify some of your questions . I would have to say the most sought after common date Merc. in FSB is the 1945-P . It is a rarity , I far as I know the reverse bands just weren't struck up at the Phily mint in 1945 . other dates sought after are the obvious 1916-D , 1921-P , 1921-D . there could be more . hopefully Coop will come in and tell you about more Merc. dates & MM for FSB . Like I said it's a true rarity for the 1945-P to show FSB .So a 1942-D MS-66 fsb would be worth considerably less than the MS-65 45-P fsb . a Merc. doesn't have to have FSB even if it's graded MS-67 Or 64,or 68 it's an added bonus that would give your coin much more value. the 1918-D is a gem but the center band is not split because of wear . It's because of strike . The answer to your last question : you should be able to tell the difference between wear and poor strike .If it was wear other parts of devices would be worn also. it will take a little time ,but after a while you'll know the difference. Report this Post to the Staff
TypeCoin971793 Pillar of the Community United States 6370 Posts	Posted 05/22/2016 10:05 am I believe the 1926 S is a toughie. Report this Post to the Staff
macmercury Pillar of the Community United States 5832 Posts	Posted 05/23/2016 1:02 pm Right off from top of my head, besides the 45-P is the 19D, 25D and the 39S, try and find them in grade 65, even the lower MS grades are tough to locate. These dates and others has weaker center reverse strikes that command a solid premium, the bands are most likely to worn first after numerous striking. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 05/23/2016 2:53 pm I'm not an expert on these but will pass on what I have in my image files. All coins can grade over MS-60 without FSB/SBs. If the strike is right, then it will qualify. But the FSBs maybe be cause more from earlier die strikes, more than the strike itself. IMOHO That would allow die state more of the reason for these. I've not see that printed anywhere though. But looking for this in a search I will try to see if that is the case. (some time in the future) (a search for images of reverses on HeritageCoins.com is where I would search first) The years will a lower mintage is probably the most desired as mentioned before. But it seems that the 1934 forward coins that rolls were saved. Price guides for rolls are listed from that year forward. So saving rolls may have become a more popular idea from that time forward? The more rolls saved, the better change of higher grade FB/FSB could make these an easier find. What to look for on them? AN image I saved from where(?) I don't remember now. But a drawing that I enhanced a bit. Split bands: Appears to be an earlier die state coin. Looks like a later MDS die state coin. Note this one is in LDS? Here are two more. 1916-D and 1917-D: Again note the 1916-D appears to be LDS. The 1917-D looks more like a late EDS. Full Split Bands: Looks like an LDS example. Looks like an EDS example (toned). So I see now that there are examples from different die states that are FB and some FSB. So it maybe more of a case of good strike and very nice dies. Maybe the hubs were in better shape on some dies that made the cent bar show a better split. But they are harder to find when going through a lot of Mercury dimes. One I sold in the past: One I bought off ebay years ago: I hope this helps a bit. Report this Post to the Staff
macmercury Pillar of the Community United States 5832 Posts	Posted 05/23/2016 8:39 pm Nice images Coop! I never bother saving images for my reference, got so used to seeing these all the time and not bother with it anymore. @mdpmedia, That seller ebay coin shouldn't bother with stating partial split band, because most of the MS one's has the top and lower bands split. Its the center band one that the TPG look at first. Edited by macmercury 05/23/2016 8:45 pm Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 05/30/2016 4:09 pm Here is a little research I did on Mercury dimes FB on Heritage coins for prices. DATE MINT 3TPG SOLD COLOR DISTRACTIONS OBV GRADE REV GRADE 1916 MS68 NGC 2.8K WHT FINGERPRINT REV MDS LDS 1916 MS-62 PCGS .062K TONED MEDIUM BROWN LDS LDS 1916 MS-63 ANACS .035K TONED DARK GRAY-BROWN ICK! LDS LDS 1916 MS-64 ANACS .035K TONED YELLOW GOLD TONING MDS MDS 1916 MS-64 NGC .089K WHITE LIGHT TONING ON BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1916 MS-65 NGC .120K TONED MEDIUM BROWN MDS MDS 1916 MS-65 PCGS .141K TONED RIM ON OBVERSE-REV BROWN LDS LDS 1916 MS-65 ANACS .076K TONED UGLY BROWN AND GRAY LDS LDS 1916 MS-66 NGC .3055K TONED RIMS ON BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1916 MS-66 NGC .2585K TONED BROWN NOT PRETTY MDS MDS 1916 MS-66 NGC .1762K TONED BROWN NOT PRETTY LDS LDS 1916 MS-66 PCGS .2185K TONED LIGHT BROWN BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1916 MS-66 PCGS .376K WHITE VERY LIGHT TAN BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1916 MS-67 NGC .8225K TONED LIGHT BROWN BOTH SIDES LDS LDS 1916 MS-67 PCGS .750K TONED YELLOW LDS LDS 1916 MS-67 PCGS .9987K WHITE LIGHT BROWN TONING ON RIMS MDS MDS 1916-D MS-62 PCGS 14.95K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1916-D MS64 PCGS 18.4K RAINBOW NOT PRETTY MDS MDS 1916-D XS-45 PCGS 6.3K CIR GRAY SLIGHTLY DARKENED MDS MDS 1916-D MS-65 PCGS 29.9K TONED LIGHT BROWN BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1916-D MS-65 PCGS 41.125K TONED LIGHT BROWN BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1916-S MS-64 PCGS .3K TONED LIGHT BROWN PARTIAL MDS MDS 1917 MS-65 PCGS .3645K TONED DARK BROWN NOT PRETTY MDS MDS 1917 MS-67 PCGS 2.280K TONED RAINBOW NOT PRETTY MDS MDS 1917 MS-67 PCGS 4.887K TONED RAINBOW NOT PRETTY MDS MDS 1917 MS-67 PCGS 3.450K TONED GRAY-GREEN NOT PRETTY MDS MDS 1917 MS-67 PCGS 5.175K WHITE REVERSE LIGHT TONE MDS MDS 1917-D MS-64 NGC .446K TONED RAINBOW OBV REVERSE PARTIAL MDS MDS 1917-S MS-64 PCGS .47K TONED LIGHT BROWN SPLOTCHY MDS MDS 1918 MS-67 PCGS 18.4 TONED NOT PRETTY MDS MDS 1918-D MS-65 PCGS 32.200K TONED GOLD IN COLOR MDS MDS 1918-D MS-65 PCGS 19.550K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1918-S MS-64 PCGS 2.702K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1918-S MS-66 PCGS 7.475K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1918-S MS-66 PCGS 19.550K WHITE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1918-S MS-67 PCGS 44.850K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1919 MS-64 PCGS .329k WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1919-D MS-64 PCGS 4.887 WHITE LIGHT TONE BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1919-D MS-65 PCGS 32.9K TONED LIGHT BROWN SPOT ON REV MDS MDS 1919-D MS-64 PCGS 5.75K WHITE LIGHT TONE BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1919-D MS-65 PCGS 23K TONED LIGHT BROWN BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1919-D MS-66 PCGS 115K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1919-S MS-65 PCGS 12K LIGHT GRAY OFF WHITE MDS MDS 1919-S MS-65 NOT GRADED 11.15K TONED GOLD IN COLOR MDS MDS 1919-S MS-65 NOT GRADED 46K OFF WHITE FINGERPRINT REV MDS MDS 1920 MS-65 PCGS 0.399 WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1920-D MS-65 PCGS 5.462K TONED LIGHT TAN BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1921 MS-65 PCGS 5.4K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1921 MS-65 PCGS 4.600K TONED LIGHT BROWN BOTH SIDES LDS LDS 1921-D MS-65 NGC 3.7K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1921-D MS-65 NOT GRADED 6.5K TONED LIGHT GOLD MDS MDS 1921-D MS-65 PCGS 5.750K TONED LIGHT BROWN BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1923 MS-66 PCGS .470K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1923-S MS-65 PCGS 5.175K TONED RAINBOW NOT PRETTY MDS MDS 1924 MS-67 NGC 2.5K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1924 MS-67 PCGS 4.025K WHITE NICE COIN LDS LDS 1924-D MS-66 PCGS 2.1K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1924-S MS-64 PCGS 2.1 WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1924-S MS-64 PCGS 3.105K TONED GOLD IN COLOR MDS MDS 1925-D MS-65 PCGS 3.222K TONED GOLD IN COLOR MDS MDS 1925 MS-66 PCGS 3.737 WHITE NICE COIN MDS MDS 1925-D MS-66 NGC 4.8K TONED TAN SPLOTCHY MDS MDS 1925-D MS-66 PCGS 6.9K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN LDS LDS 1925-D MS-67 PCGS 21.85K TONED LIGHT RAINBOW BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1925-S MS-65 NGC 2.3K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1925-S MS-65 PCGS 4K TONED LIGHT TAN MDS MDS 1925-S MS-65 NOT GRADED 13.8K TONED LIGHT TAN - REVERSE DARKER MDS MDS 1925-S MS-66 PCGS 5.462K WHITE WEAK STRIKE LDS LDS 1926-D MS-65 NGC 4K TONED LIGHT TAN MDS MDS 1926-S MS-64 PCGS 3.4K TONED LIGHT TAN - REVERSE DARKER MDS MDS 1926-S MS-65 PCGS 4.312K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1926-S MS-65 PCGS 9.2K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1926-S MS-66 PCGS 5.175K TONED LIGHT GRAY BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1927 MS-64 PCGS .129K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1927-D MS-65 NGC 6.3K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1927-D MS-65 PCGS 1.6K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1927-S MS-65 PCGS 7.475K TONED VERY LIGHT TAN BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1927-S MS-65 NGC 4.6K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1927-S MS-65 PCGS 6.325K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1928 MS-64 PCGS .129K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1928-D MS-66 PCGS 7.47K TONED LIGHT TAN MDS MDS 1928-D MS-63 PCGS 1.05K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1928-S MS-66 PCGS 2.8K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN LDS LDS 1928-S MS-66 PCGS 6.3K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1929-D MS-65 PCGS .211K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1930 MS-64 PCGS .188K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1930-S MS-65 NOT GRADED .8K TONED LIGHT TAN MDS MDS 1931-D MS-65 PCGS .352K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1931-S MS-65 PCGS 2.87K TONED LIGHT TAN LDS LDS 1931-S MS-65 PCGS 5.98K TONED LIGHT TAN LDS LDS 1934 MS-65 PCGS .193K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1934-D MS-65 PCGS .258K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1935 MS-66 PCGS .128K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1936 PR-67 NGC 3.45K TONED OBV BRN RING- REVERSE ALL MDS MDS 1936 MS-66 PCGS .079K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1936 PR-65 PCGS 1.322K WHITE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1936-D MS-63 PCGS .040K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1936-S MS-66 PCGS .188K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1937 MS-66 PCGS .045K WHITE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1937 MS-67 PCGS 0.329 WHITE BLACK SPOTS ON REVERSE MDS MDS 1937-D MS-68 NGC 1.7K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN LDS LDS 1937-D MS-66 PCGS .235K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1937-D MS-67 PCGS .152K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1937-S MS-67 PCGS .146K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1938 PR-68 NGC 3.75K TONED BROWN RING BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1938 MS-66 PCGS .176K WHITE REVERSE LIGHT TONE MDS MDS 1938-D MS-65 PCGS .038K WHITE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1938-D MS-65 PCGS .0495K WHITE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1938-D MS-66 PCGS .0611K WHITE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1938-D MS-66 PCGS 0.0558 WHITE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1938-D MS-67 PCGS 0.199K TONED DARK OBV - REVERSE WHITE MDS MDS 1938-S MS-66 PCGS .1495K WHITE LIGHT TONING ON BOTH SIDES LDS LDS 1939 PR-68 NGC 2.1K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN LDS LDS 1939-D MS-66 PCGS .129K WHITE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1939-S MS-63 PCGS .189K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1939-S MS-66 PCGS .998K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1940 MS-65 PCGS .050K WHITE GREAT COIN LDS LDS 1940 MS-65 PCGS 0.065K TONED LIGHT TAN SPOTS LDS LDS 1940 MS-65 PCGS .110K WHITE GREAT COIN LDS LDS 1940 MS-65 PCGS .110K WHITE SECOND COIN LDS LDS 1940-D MS-65 PCGS .037K WHITE LIGHT TONE ON REVERSE LDS LDS 1940-D MS-65 PCGS 0.037K WHITE SECOND COIN SOME SPOTS LDS LDS 1940-D MS-66 PCGS .042k WHITE SOME TONING MILD LDS LDS 1940-D MS-66 PCGS .047K WHITE MILD TONING SOME SPOTS LDS LDS 1940 MS-66 PCGS 0.089K WHITE SOME SPOTS LDS LDS 1940-S MS-65 PCGS .054K WHITE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1940-S MS-65 PCGS 0.054K WHITE SECOND COIN LDS LDS 1940-S MS-65 PCGS .037K WHITE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1940-S MS-65 PCGS .037K WHITE SECOND COIN MDS MDS 1940-S MS-66 PCGS .1292K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1940-S MS-66 PCGS .126K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1941-D MS-65 PCGS .037K TONED LIGHT BROWN COLOR MDS MDS 1941-D MS-65 PCGS .037K TONED LIGHT BROWN COLOR 2ND COIN MDS MDS 1941-S MS-66 PCGS .0465K WHITE LIGHT BROWN TONE MDS MDS 1941-S MS-66 PCGS .0313K WHITE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1941-S MS-67 PCGS .1295K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1941-S MS-67 PCGS .229K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1942 MS-65 PCGS 0.0313 TONED LIGHT BROWN LDS LDS 1942 MS-66 PCGS .0383K WHITE LIGHT BROWN LDS LDS 1942 MS-65 PCGS .025K TONED LIGHT BROWN LDS LDS 1942 PR-67 NOT GRADED 1.8K TONED LIGHT BROWN RING MDS MDS 1942-D MS-66 PCGS .31.3K WHITE LIGHT BROWN TONING MDS MDS 1942-D MS-67 PCGS .235K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1942/1 MS-65 PCGS 36.8K TONED LIGHT BROWN PARTIAL LDS LDS 1942-S MS-67 PCGS .129K WHITE REVERSE LIGHT TONE MDS MDS 1942-S MS-67 PCGS .470K WHITE REVERSE LIGHT TONE MDS MDS 1943 MS-66 PCGS .0325K WHITE LIGHT TONE ON BOTH SIDES LDS LDS 1943 MS-66 PCGS .0325K TONED DARK REV - OBV WHITE LDS LDS 1943-D MS-65 PCGS .0263K WHITE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1943-D MS-65 PCGS 0.037K WHITE GREAT COIN LDS LDS 1943-D MS-65 PCGS 0.32K WHITE GREAT COIN LDS LDS 1943-D MS-65 PCGS .0295K TONED DISTRACTING BROWN COLOR LDS LDS 1943-D MS-66 PCGS .042K WHITE GREAT COIN LDS LDS 1943-D MS-66 PCGS .035K WHITE GREAT COIN 2ND COIN LDS LDS 1943-D MS-66 PCGS .0345K TONED LIGHT RAINBOW BOTH SIDES LDS LDS 1943-D MS-66 PCGS 0.037K WHITE GREAT COIN LDS LDS 1943-D MS-68 PCGS 1.4K TONED BROWN RING OBV REV WHT MDS MDS 1943-D MS-67 PCGS .129K TONED BROWN SPOTS BOTH SIDES MDS MDS 1943-S MS-65 PCGS .0328K WHITE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1944-D MS-66 PCGS .0445K TONED RAINBOW DARK COLORS LDS LDS 1944-D MS-66 PCGS .0395K TONED RAINBOW DARK COLORS 2ND COIN LDS LDS 1944-D MS-67 PCGS .141K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1944-D MS-66 PCGS .0445K WHITE LIGHT TONING ON BOTH SIDES LDS LDS 1944-S MS-66 PCGS .0395K WHITE GREAT COIN LDS LDS 1944-S MS-66 PCGS .0395K WHITE LIGHT TONING ON BOTH SIDES LDS LDS 1944-S MS-67 PCGS .223K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1945 MS-65 PCGS .110K TONED LIGHT RAINBOW BOTH SIDES LDS LDS 1945 MS-66 NGC 11.5K WHTE BLACK SPOTS BOTH SIDES LDS LDS 1945 MS-66 PCGS 9.8K TONED VERY LIGHT TAN BOTH SIDES LDS LDS 1945 MS-65 PCGS 9.2K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1945 MS-66 PCGS 17.250K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1945-D MS-65 PCGS .030K WHITE GREAT COIN LDS LDS 1945-D MS-65 PCGS .035K WHITE GREAT COIN 2ND COIN LDS LDS 1945-S MS-66 PCGS .141K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MICRO S MDS MDS 1945-S MS-66 PCGS .0335K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MDS MDS 1945-S MS-67 PCGS 5.405K WHITE NONE GREAT COIN MICRO S MDS MDS Now to get a price you need to get the mean price (average between several for that grade to determining an average price. 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mdpmedia Pillar of the Community United States 3546 Posts	Posted 05/31/2016 01:01 am Quote: ...a little research @coop Thanks for all of the effort gathering that comprehensive pricing list: much appreciated. Report this Post to the Staff
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