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Tax Treatment Of Sale Of Bar Of Silver

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 Posted 06/03/2016  10:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add twoods to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,
Would anyone know how CRA would treat the sale of a bar of silver for tax purposes? Is it considered listed personal property as with collector coins...for example if I sold 10 ounces of silver for $221 and had paid $151 for it, are the gains only taxable I profited greater than $1000?

Thanks for any help you may be able to lend!

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 Posted 06/03/2016  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have capital gains tax, congrats any time you incur this tax you are a winner
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There is no "greater than $1,000" rule to determine whether it is taxable or not.

If you sell it at a profit, that profit is taxable, and in this case $70. Unless you are a dealer in silver bullion, your silver bar is a capital asset, and the gain may be short or long term depending on how long you owned it before you sold it.
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 Posted 06/04/2016  07:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
According to the CRA website (note the references to the $1000):


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Personal-use property

When you sell personal-use property, such as cars and boats, you may have a capital gain or loss. In most cases you do not end up with a capital gain, because this type of property usually does not increase in value over the years. As a result, you may end up with a loss. Although you have to report any gain on the sale of personal-use property, generally you are not allowed to claim a loss. For more information and an example, see Personal-use property losses.

To calculate this gain or loss, follow these rules:
If the adjusted cost base (ACB) of the property is less than $1,000, its ACB is considered to be $1,000.
If the proceeds of disposition are less than $1,000, the proceeds of disposition are considered to be $1,000.
If both the ACB and the proceeds of disposition are $1,000 or less, you do not have a capital gain or a capital loss. Do not report the sale on Schedule 3 when you file your income tax and benefit return.
If the ACB or proceeds of disposition is more than $1,000, you may have a capital gain or loss. Report the sale on your Schedule 3.


and (note that silver bars are not listed but this is not an exclusive list)


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Listed personal property (LPP)

Listed personal property is a type of personal use property. The principal difference between listed personal property (LPP) and other personal use properties is that LPP usually increases in value over time.

LPP includes all or any part of any interest in or any right to the following properties:
prints, etchings, drawings, paintings, sculptures, or other similar works of art;
jewellery;
rare folios, rare manuscripts, or rare books;
stamps; and
coins.

To determine the value of many LPP items, you can have them appraised by a dealer. You can also refer to catalogues for the value of the properties.



Note



LPP gains do not include gains from selling or donating certified Canadian cultural property to a designated institution. For more information, see Selling or donating certified Canadian cultural property.



Because LPP is a type of personal use property, the capital gain or loss on the sale of the LPP item is calculated the same way as for personal use property. For more information about these rules, see Personal use property.

To determine if you have a LPP loss and for information on applying these losses to previous or future years, see Listed personal property (LPP) losses.


If you have further questions about the tax treatment of transactions, you should call the CRA information line.

However, my reading of the rules is that it is the increase over $1000 which is taxable.

Of course if you are carrying on a business, that is a whole different matter.
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I'm sorry, I did not notice (I should have) the question was about Canadian law. My previous statement was based on U.S. tax laws.

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But the law quoted does not discuss PROFIT, it only discusses "proceeds" and "adjusted cost basis (ACB)". "Proceeds" is the amount received from selling the item. Gain (profit) or loss is generally the proceeds minus the ACB.

The $1,000 threshold applies to the "proceeds" and the "ACB", not profit. And it only applies to whether you have to report the sale on your schedule 3, and it (the threshold) does not determine whether you have a taxable amount or loss (that is determined on Schedule 3).
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Yes, @nss-52, so generally speaking, as I read the rules, if you are a collector and not carrying on a business, there are no tax consequences(in Canada) and no forms to fill out if each individual item is bought and sold for less than $1000 Can.

For "listed personal property", there is the potential of claiming capital losses.

It is important to know that "carrying on a business" brings a whole different set of rules into play, and it is not always straightforward to determine if this is the case. I am assuming in this case that @twoods is just buying and selling on a casual basis.
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