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Some (Possibly) Fire Damaged Coins

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 Posted 06/18/2016  10:50 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
We've had some discussion and debate lately about whether some posted coins display fire damage. Inspired by the topic, I figured I'd post some coins, all taken from Forum threads, believed to have been in fires. Telltale signs of fire may include:

- Warped flans that sometimes manifest as general waviness, other times as concavity on one side and convexity on the other (like a scyphate coin).

- Raised bubbles or blisters (as Forum owner Joe Sermarini states it in one thread, "...the bubbles result from tiny pockets of air in the flan expanding with heat..."

- Pits in the surface (Joe goes on to state, "Sometimes a bubble can or will have already been pushed flat, but...does...not return it to a normal appearance...sometimes the thin shell of the top of the bubble will break leaving a pit.")

Obviously some of these attributes (bubbling or blistering, as well as pitting) are also indicative of cast fakes. And, of course, pitting may result from legitimate corrosion. As you might expect, discussions about coins that exhibit such features occasionally take the form of "fake or fire damage?"

The following coins are thought to be fire damaged, although some could be fakes or perhaps genuine but damaged by other means:

Antoninus Pius: surface damage, burn marks, warped flan, some pits and blisters
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Marcus Aurelius: blisters, warpage (convex obverse, concave reverse)
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Hadrian: blisters
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Herennia Etruscilla: blisters, flan warpage, pitting
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Commodus: blisters
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Parion hemidrachm: pitting and some blisters
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Trajan: blisters, warpage (convex obverse, concave reverse)
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Trajan: blisters, warpage
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06/19/2016 08:26 am
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 Posted 06/18/2016  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bob, I have never thought about the potential effects of fire on ancient coins; very interesting.
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 Posted 06/19/2016  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting summary of available info. Thx
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 Posted 06/19/2016  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Baltas to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting!
Thank you Bob!
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I am not dismissing the idea that this damage was caused by heat, I'm sure many coins were damaged in this manner. It's even possible the some of the coins pictured here were damaged in that manner, but I'm more inclined to believe most of the coins have been damaged by the environment, ie moist soil, Asiatic soil, ect. I have no scientific evidence that came prove my assumption other than from having examined thousands of uncleaned coins with some that once cleaned had a similar appearance.
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 Posted 06/19/2016  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really what one of us needs to do is take a near basal state Roman, photodocument it, put it under the blow torch, and then re-take those photos.
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