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Introduction Tim Herr With Extreme Penny Error. Input Needed.

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My name is Tim Herr. I've been an avid coin collector since I was ten years old and now Fifty nine, long time. I should sell some off my coins but I have a hard time parting with them. I've always been able to figure out an error coin. Probably because understand the mechanics of the coin press. I am factory trained on Abdick printing presses and four complete lines of copiers, fax, high speed duplicators, laser printers pretty much all office equipment including computers, with thirty years experience in the field. I have a 2008d penny that I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly what happened to it. Under light with magnification the very thin edges of everything on and rev has lifted an outline around it and the inside is pushed in. Looks neat you see light and magnification. I'll upload pictures of it and maybe somebody else has seen something like this. And maybe a guess of what it might be worth.

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 Posted 06/20/2016  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SjlundCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a Dryer Coin. It's PMD.
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Welcome to a new member with mind-blowing pics outta the gate!
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Classic Dryer Coin. Zinc is a soft metal with a low melting point. Heat it and tumble it through a dryer, and the devices will get soft and squishy.
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to the Community!

Your welcome post was moved to the appropriate forum for the proper attention.
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I've seen Dryer Coins I dont think that is what this is. The inside of the letter or number is pushed in and there's 1/10th lifted around the edge. Obverse and Reverse. The dryer ones I compared it to were flat and deformed. I tried to get a 3d picture but it didn't work. I'm going to PCGS show at Ceasers the 29th-2nd of this month. I'll let everybody know what they say. Thanks Tim
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Your coin is definitely not an error, the flattened devices and exposed zinc on the rim are indicators of post-mint damage.
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Your coin definitely got smooshed, but unfortunately it didn't happen at the mint. Let us know what PCGS has to say.
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Waiting for the results.
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Hi Tim - looks like a damaged coin as noted by our fellow enthusiasts. Have fun in the forums!!
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this definitely did not happen at the mint. Any time you see the copper layer taken off and the zinc layer exposed, you can make an inference that it is PMD.
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Welcome to the Forum. Awesome Pictures. Very clear and close up.

Whether it's a Dryer Coin or not, it definitely looks like damage from the outside world.

Always good to see more lifelong collectors jumping in for the first time. Lots of information here. With pictures like that I would post any other questions you may have. Tons of other experts to chime in.
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Yep, simply a damaged coin. And welcome. :)
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I was just sitting their at the table and the pictures I uploaded were on the screen I looked and thought that's deceiving. The light areas that look like zinc are actually the shiny copper lifted. Only zinc showing is on the rim. Question if a coin was coated with grease and copper coating was applied is this what happens.
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Welcome to the fun. The coin has PMD.
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Hi Tim - if there are contaminants on the zinc before the copper plating, it is possible that the bond between the copper and substrate zinc will be weak and separate. You see this often when coin roll searching. Blisters, bubbles, splits...you can see it all. But what likely happened here is that the coin devices were flattened creating splits in the copper plate (which is very thin) allowing it to lift a bit. Given time, temperature, and humidity...hydrozincite will settle in and the coin will begin to 'disappear'. Zinc rot is a term here used to describe that phenomenon.

If you look at your coin's devices, you will note the flattened appearance. This suggests it was crushed or damaged in a dryer for a cycle or two. Ultimately, the exposed zinc will be attacked by the atmosphere and the 'rot' will set in.
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