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Hi all, I am looking at this to purchase but am a little nervous. It's in a straight AU 58 NGC slab. What do you think of the surfaces, was it a bad polishing job? Flow lines are evident throughout but also some areas with nothing so I'm not sure how original the surfaces are. Also there are some what look like parallel scratches under the left wing and left of the neck on the reverse. And a couple of perhaps not so obvious marks on the obverse jaw and neck. It's from an excellent seller that I have dealt with many times. Experienced, honest, great service, and with great stuff. Not an LCS but an LDCS (long distance). Thanks!   Edited by syeb
06/23/2016 11:25 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I think the surfaces look attractive with nice luster. The parallel lines on the reverse look like die polishing lines rather than scratches, although it's hard to tell for sure from a photo.
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Were you able to reference this photo back to the NGC archives' photo using the bar code on the slab?
Do you feel that the slab itself is 100% original/genuine w/o any evidence of tampering?
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It has probably been dipped in its lifetime, but nothing severe and nothing more. I saw the scratches as well, but I agree with NGC on this one.
If you're hesitant, don't buy it. If there is a return policy, you can always send it back if you don't like it.
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I don't have the coin yet but the slab looks looks fine in the pics and the NGC verification photos match. As usual NGC overexposed them but it matches perfectly. I also trust the seller completely.
There is a return policy so you are correct it is low risk.
Thanks for the input.
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06/24/2016 08:18 am
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It has probably been dipped in its lifetime Nonsense.  The argument that CBHs with lustrous "shiny" surfaces have been altered is quite week. |
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I like it. Looks pleasantly original to me. I have a few mid AU CBHs purchased from a old time collection that look about like this.
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Bedrock of the Community
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 Beautiful coin. |
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The argument that CBHs with lustrous "shiny" surfaces have been altered is quite week. The argument that a nearly 200-year-old silver coin can remain nearly blast white and still be completely original is weak. A dipping is not necessarily a bad thing since it does not affect the luster if done properly. I think this coin was dipped in the 1950's - 1970's and has since album toned. Again, nice coin, but I highly doubt the the top layer of silver atoms are the same ones that were on the top when this coin was pulled from circulation in the early 1800's. Is the preservation of this top layer of atoms the definition of surface originality? |
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wish I had this one in my collection
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If a CBH was put away the year it was minted and stored somewhere until now, would it not have bright white shiny surfaces? Perhaps even some of the original atoms? Especially in higher AU or MS condition where it likely did not circulate very long and most likely was put away in a collection.
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Dipped and with slight hairlines on the reverse.
I would pass on it unless it's a real "steal" price wise.
1830's AU-58's are a bit down in price right now, so you should be able to find one that's better looking and affordable.
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06/25/2016 10:45 pm
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It's not a "steal" but a good price nonetheless. Full return privileges so I can check it out up close and personal before making a final decision.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I think I would be happy with this coin.
This one looks much better than my 1832 AU cleaned one.
I feel pictures and lighting do not always show how a coin
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Definitely no substitute for seeing it in hand, Syeb. I agree with your approach.  |
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If a CBH was put away the year it was minted and stored somewhere until now, would it not have bright white shiny surfaces? Perhaps even some of the original atoms? Especially in higher AU or MS condition where it likely did not circulate very long and most likely was put away in a collection. Think about it this way. How airtight were the storing mechanisms for coins back in the 1830's? I feel they weren't airtight at all. Also, since it never saw much circulation, I would think it never left the vicinity of the northeast US. In the next hundred years, this area became heavily industrialized, so tons of sulfur was pumped into the atmosphere. Since the coin was likely not in an airtight container, it would have reacted to the abundance of sulfur in its environment. The original atoms would have bonded to make Ag2S. There are some dips that reverse the reaction and leave the original silver atoms, but you are taking away the naturally-aquired sulfur atoms as well. |
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