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Possible 2012 LSC DDO Need Help With With Identification (First Post :)

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 Posted 06/24/2016  11:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add hoppyg to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all, I am fairly new to collecting coins. I collected sports cards for years, but I needed a change so here I am. Anyway, I have been CRHing for a few weeks and have found several cool coins and most I can identify by reading the great info here on the forums. Tonight I came across an interesting 2012 LSC that I believe is a DDO. I looked atcoppercoins but could not match the die markers. I took the best pics I could, and by the way, I now see why it is so hard to get good pics of shinny little coins I am not sure the pics will show the NW distortion, but it is very evident in person on both the date and LIBERTY. I believe I see notching in RTY and under the microscope the B is heavily doubled. I am very new to this, so I could be way off. Any info would be a great help. I apologize for the picture quality. I will work on getting better with practice.

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 Posted 06/25/2016  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have two light sources and when you look closely at coins, they create their own problem. On light source is best. (one light might be a secondary light source like light from a window or a room light. If so just tape a facial tissue so it blocks the unwanted light)

Also the images of the devices should be larger of the devices areas. 3-5 devices per image is better. More magnification is needed to see what is there.
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Thanks Coop for the insight. I am working on my picture quality. I did get a better pic of liberty after a few dozen tries The legs on the TY are super thick, I would say twice as thick as a regular 2012, and the B is much more robust than other examples. There is distorstion as well, but I just can't get the pic to reflect it properly. I think I need to invest in a proper camera.

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Can you make out any die chips on the vertical bar of T in LIBERTY? It could be 1do-003 but I know how hard these can be to photograph
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Thanks for the feedback Slamn. The 1do-003 was the closest match I could find on coppercoins. I think I can see the start of the die chip marker on the T, I do not see any die cracks in the hair, and on the reverse the top of the shield shows little to no sign of the die crack marker. I am at work this morning, I am going to see if a scan may come out better. If not, I will work on getting better pics. Right now I am only working with a galaxy s6, and a 16x loop. I really do appreciate the help!
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hoppyg: Could you take an image of a normal coin about the same size as the one you posted as a DDO. Sometimes side by side will show us more. The larger the images the better. I make mine at the max for my image host as 1240 Pixels. So if someone wants to enlarge one of my images it will get larger. (my host or this site reduces the size to what works on the screen) Maybe I will see better what you are seeing?
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Coop, thank you for the help, I really appreciate it. I am sorry for the late reply. I am a restaurant manager, and this weekend was crazy busy. I worked on getting a few more pics with the advice you gave me about the light source. They still are far from the great pics I see on the forum, but I think the glare issue is a bit better. I took a side by side with another 2012 P, and the other photos came out better, I think. I also took pics of were the die markers should be located. The coin in question is on the left.

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The last image is what I need. Now if you could take an image of a normal coin with the same amount in the shot that would help. What I'm looking for it the Line from the top of the collar left to the rim of the coin. I can rotate the coin to what I need. But with that invisible line from those two points I can set a width. It looks very close to normal, but I want to see them side by side to see if there is a difference in size of those devices. Again a normal shot similar to the last one. (note the die scratch between the 'R' and the back of head) depending if this is the normal coin or the one that is the DDO? I see a shot of the other one just like that.

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Thanks again Coop. I tried to take a similar pic of another 2012 p. I hope this helps. Your knowledge is awesome! Thanks for sharing! The first image is the coin in question amd the second is the comparison.

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I'd say this is DEFINETLY a DDO. Can't wait to see what coop says. also to CCF
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The angle of the shot was different, but they appear to be close to the same size. If there is a difference it might be minor. The second image of the devices it looks like it was a LDS and that makes the left side of the devices look wider. But I feel it is not strong enough to be one to be listed. Sorry. I'd save for now though.

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