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1970-S Small Date Lincoln Memorial Cent Help

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I've gone through about 10,000 pennies to find small dates in 1960, 1960D and 1970S. I think I may have gotten one today. I hope this scan looks ok. I can try to clean it up. The inside of the 9 appears to be slightly hooked rather than squared off. The 7 also doesn't have the horizontal crease I can see on my 1970S Large date, but this coin has seen better days.

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Can anyone confirm this one for me? I'm still learning and have never seen a 1970S small date, other than photos of really nice examples!
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 Posted 02/25/2008  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I need to see a more focused shot of the date. I don't want to guess based upon the image.
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 Posted 02/25/2008  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coffeegod to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#1. This is a Large date, did a horizontal across the top. The Seven is below. Sorry chap.
#2. Does anyone have any pics of a 1960-D Small date? Is it the "0" thats smaller? I'm sittin here looking at two different 60's. One of them has a smaller "0". I tried looking at Coppers site for 1960-D, there were over 160 hits. I didn't bother looking through them all.
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On the 60's both the tails on the 9 and the 6 are shorter and the 0 is smaller.
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 Posted 02/26/2008  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Bill. If anything, show a picture of LIBERTY as well.
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On the 60's small dates, does not a line straight down from the top of the 6's serif cut right through the middle of the 6 rather than closer to/at the east edge of the 6's loop?

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Ha! It's really strange. I was just going through some pennies and I think I found a 1970-s small date too!

What I have copied below is an image where the lower date and the lower "liberty" are what I think is the small date. I have cut and pasted a date and "liberty" from what I consdider to be a regular 1970-s above that.

I think you can see the difference, although I'm not 100% sure the bottom one is a small date.

Comments?
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1970S large date
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1970S large date (lined)
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1970S small date
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1970S small date (lined)
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There is also a medium date (not pictured) that is not mentioned very often. One should be very careful when buying a "Small Date" 1970 S to make sure that they do not get the Medium Date. It is valued the same as the Large Date and is very common.

Another little known or publicized fact about the 1970 S Small Date (and is a much easier way to authenticate) is that the word LIBERTY is always weak, this is true for both business strikes and proofs. No known Large Dates have the weak LIBERTY.
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arrrrrrrrrrgh; posted the wrong picture for 70S large date.

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To the original poster of this thread:

Your coin is a large date. Sorry.
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Ok, I've got another specimen to look at. This one struck me right away as a little different from the dozen or so 1970S Large Dates I pulled from two boxes of cents this week. The top of the 7 and the top of the 0 seem awfully close to residing on the same horizontal plane. The 9, however, seems a little higher up.
As far as a weak Liberty, I'm still not certain what is meant by weak, other than perhaps it's not stamped cleanly or with distinct edges?

Anyway, if you guys are bored, maybe pass along your Two Cents on this one. The education you provide me is invaluable:

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The key is in the shape of the 9 and the lower extension of the 7 -- when the crease in the 7 is not visible due to damage or wear. This is a large date, no question about it.

Truly--your chances of finding a small date in change are infinitely small. Something like one small date in over 5,000 large dates. In today's pocket change, even in San Francisco, you'd go through $10,000 in cents to find 5,000 large dates.

This, folks, is why a small date, even circulated, is a $10+ coin.
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Thanks for all the help. I wasn't aware of the scarcity of the 1970S Small date. I've got 3 holes to fill in my Memorial cent album, the 1960/1960D small dates and the 1970S small date. Am I likely to find any of those in circulation? I hate the thought of having to buy these varieties (I'm more in love with the idea of filling a set from circulating coins), but I also hate the thought of spending the next 2 years searching through 1-2 boxes of pennies a week to find some small dates!
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Well, let's see...you're not likely to find any of these in circulation because of age/scarcity, etc. But...

1960P SD in red BU is about $4.
1960D SD in red BU is about $1.
1970S SD in AU/BU is about $20.

If I were filling a book I would pony up the $25 to finish it rather than search endlessly for the next 10-20 years through millions of coins to find them.
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Neffchiro, I've looked for the 70-S SD for 10 years without luck--despite living near SF and getting a 70-S in nearly every roll (LD). On the other hand, I just found 2 60-D SD in a box, so I think they're still out there.
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