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Please Help. Are These Real Or Fakes?

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 Posted 07/03/2016  3:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add vegasgateway to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
They look fake to me but would like to get your expert opinions prior to driving to take a look at them. I hope they are real!

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Fakes ... and poor ones at that.
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 Posted 07/03/2016  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Koinz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know anything about early U.S. coins, but the first one doesn't even have a denomination mark, so that to me would suggest they're fake.

As for the other one, I'm not sure why the denomination would be abbreviated. I've never seen anything with abbreviated denominations except for some Greek coins. If they're fake, whoever made them didn't think everything through.

If they're real, they are definitely strange and somehow remarkably preserved for coins that are 162-216 years old.
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I'm not a 'spert, but the Abbreviation is correct;

Image from the data:

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The image looks good to my old layman eye.

On the first, is there edge lettering?

ETA: ExoGuy, I would be fooled, some pointers?
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07/03/2016 4:43 pm
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I would have them checked out.You have nothing to lose.Good Luck.
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Yes, abbreviations are not unusual on 19th c. US coins especially.
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Fake. Very mushy details. The types shown are some of the most heavily counterfeited coins out there today.
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And to vegasgateway,



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I found a website with counterfeit examples of the first coin if you want to compare.

http://drapedbustcoins.reidgold.com/page_7.html
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Both bad. The first one is an old time fake. The second one is from the China mint. Both stink.
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I found a website with counterfeit examples of the first coin if you want to compare.

http://drapedbustcoins.reidgold.com/page_7.html


Wow! That is an awesome site! Thanks for sharing!
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Very common fakes.

At a LCS we see two or three of these sets come in each month.

Most of the time they will stick to a magnet.
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I don't know anything about early U.S. coins, but the first one doesn't even have a denomination mark, so that to me would suggest they're fake.

The early gold and silver US coins did not have denominations on the obv or rev. You were expected to know the denomination based on the size. This was a holdover from the British model. British coins also had no denomination and where identified by size. The US half and dollar coins though did have the denomination on the edge of the coin.
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IF you have to drive a good distance, I'd say don't. What was the price for those?
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ETA: ExoGuy, I would be fooled, some pointers?


@Parklane64 ... I just took another look at this thread. not having subscribed. So, sorry for my delay in replying. I'm no expert, but I've seen and held enough of these poorer quality fakes that spotting them has become something of a second nature.

Much of what I see has already been cited. Although the Seated dollar is a trickier call than the bust piece, there are two things that initially catch my eye. All of the seated fakes I see tend to have XF details with few, if any, circulation marks. They also exhibit a washed-out coloration. Closer examination reveals what's already been stated by others, above.
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