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1802 8Reale With Th Assayer Mexico Mint, Can This Be Correct?

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 Posted 07/05/2016  2:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add stiles2884 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

I am new to the site and need help with this coin. My wife purchased it about 10 years ago off of one of the shopping channels. I have researched and cannot find anything with the Assayer of TH for Mexico for this year. Is it a fake?

I appreciate any help on this.



1802--8Reale-With-Th-Assayer-Mexico-Mint,-Can-This-Be-Correct?

1802--8Reale-With-Th-Assayer-Mexico-Mint,-Can-This-Be-Correct?

1802--8Reale-With-Th-Assayer-Mexico-Mint,-Can-This-Be-Correct?

1802--8Reale-With-Th-Assayer-Mexico-Mint,-Can-This-Be-Correct?

1802--8Reale-With-Th-Assayer-Mexico-Mint,-Can-This-Be-Correct?

1802--8Reale-With-Th-Assayer-Mexico-Mint,-Can-This-Be-Correct?

1802--8Reale-With-Th-Assayer-Mexico-Mint,-Can-This-Be-Correct?

1802--8Reale-With-Th-Assayer-Mexico-Mint,-Can-This-Be-Correct?
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 Posted 07/05/2016  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does seem odd to me.
I don't readily see the date and TH as being correct.
But I'm not the expert here.
Might be a fake cranked out from China.
Why not test with weights, measures & magnetics, bleach, density, etc. if possible.
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 Posted 07/05/2016  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fioti to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
T-H were joint assayers on these pieces. I'll see if I can find the info.http://www.melfisher.com/Library/At.../Assayer.asp


Go down to 1803-1810

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07/05/2016 2:56 pm
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hi, I checked this site previously that you (fioti) kindly posted the link for. The coin date is 1802, not 1803.

Albert,
I did the magnet test and the was no resistance.
I did the ice test with it and a regular coin and it started melting immed.

I checked the weight and it is 26.2 grams

I am stumped?
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 Posted 07/05/2016  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a similar coin confusing me in my collection. I wish I had your piece. I'd buy it and report findings.
I love challenges where coins seem to be authentic or fake, but may or may not be. I'm making books about that topic using world coins.
I'd buy your coin in an instant, just to get it in my shop for study.
My very first test would be dia-magnetics and then density to see if it's really coin silver or not. Then go from there, but these tests are not commonly found in the general population. It's normal that a person comes across a coin of interest, but they are not geared up for lab testing.
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 Posted 07/06/2016  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pistareen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Various assayers FM, FT, TH are reported for 1803. TH is not a match for 1802 on regal coins based on both my Calico and Cayon references. I think you have an interesting fantasy date/mint mark/assayer combination that would pass for real back in the day. These type of coins were counterfeited heavily and by many sources over the past two centuries. Starting with English counterfeits made during the Napoleonic Wars, Mexico restrikes for the China Trade, and now modern fabrications for sale to Westerners. See Swamperbob's book [Counterfeit Portrait Eight-Reales by Robert Gurney, page 363] for more. He does list an 1802 TH counterfeit with outlined eye and square base "2" in date which is what this coin appears to be. The reference number is under Class 1 [Contemporary Circulating Counterfeit], GNL#1802-O: C/R: Mo TH-001, made of debased silver alloy. The reference coin is listed as being in the Nichols Collection and was unique as of the time of printing of my edition of the book. If your coin is the next known of a Class I counterfeit, in my opinion it is worth at least as much as a regal coin. Excellent!
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