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1945-P War Nickel Struck Through Struck Fragment

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I recently picked up this piece, which I thought from the images on line that it was struck through an off center die cap. Once I received the coin, it appears that it is struck through a struck fragment that was adhering to the die since the brockaged area does not fully extend into the edge. Parts of Liberty and the date appear between the brockage area and rim.

The grading services get very generic in labeling errors, especially ones that have a lot going on with them.

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Die struck area between brockage and rim is clear in this picture.
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 Posted 07/09/2016  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dustin6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have a point, I definetely see what you are saying. Let's see what others say
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 Posted 07/09/2016  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no problem with that description on the slab. It is a very nice error coin to have. It may have been part of a split off planchet from another coin that was struck onto your coin.
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Wow nice and it does look like it was a fragment..IMO
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I agree that PCGS is correct with their description but the grading services often stop short of fully describing errors......some of which can be attributed to lack of space on the label and some not. I am probably going to re-submit to NGC who have graded similar errors that I have as being struck through a struck fragment. The below 1923-S Buffalo nickel is one of my examples that NGC went beyond labeling simply as a brockage error. The photo was taken before it was slabbed by NGC.

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 Posted 07/10/2016  01:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Zimmy: Is that a piece of the die? If so it should be magnetic.
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 Posted 07/10/2016  06:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zimmy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a piece of the die. The image is a pretty deep recessed, mirror brockage of the indian's braid.
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My eye do that to me every now and then. First glance it looks raised, then it turns out it is incuse. I guess I should have looked at the lighting.

Note the light is coming from the bottom of the coin. So an incuse mark would make the reflection on the farthest part of the area in question.

It if were raised, the light would be on the same die as the light direction is coming.
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My eyes do the same sometimes.
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 Posted 07/10/2016  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Boy, I'm trying, but it still looks raised to me! Anyway, remarkable coin.
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The light is coming at 6:00. The indent is showing on the 12:00 area of the coin. The 6:00 on the buffalo is dark because it is incuse. If it were raised, then the 6:00 area on the buffalo would be showing light on that area.
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 Posted 07/10/2016  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zimmy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks coop for that info. I will probably be able to use that sometime.
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 Posted 07/14/2016  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Zimmy's diagnosis. Nice specimen.
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 Posted 07/18/2016  9:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zimmy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the confirmation Mike.
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