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Won this coin from the last Torex. The toning is wild and caught my attention, which is why I wanted it. It is graded SP64 from PCGS. It's in an old PCGS holder (the green labelled one). My one concern from the beginning was that the coin looked to have a weakly struck rim on the obverse. Not the type of strike you'd see on a typical specimen... What are your thoughts?   
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sure looks like a specimen reverse. The matte 1937 dollars show some of the same obverse edge issues as the business strikes. I've seen 1937 matte dollars where you ask yourself why would I even bother buying this over a ms 65 issue. Nice case toning consistent for the issue. maybe send it to ICCS to cross grade it if you're uncomfortable. I'm quite confident it is sp because of the sharpness of the reverse, and kings bust lacks die burn, has very sharp ear etc, but that edge, I see why you ask, not what one would expect on a specimen. But some are like that though not to that degree. Maybe you got a mule  These striking problems don't ever seem to appear on the mirror issues, they seem to always be sharp, don't know why, it maybe the planchet.
Edited by Alan 07/14/2016 12:18 am
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Thank you Alan! I will send it to ICCS next time I send a batch. The reverse does really look like a specimen. Even more of a reason why the obverse was confusing me. Oh well, it might be something with the planchet, like you said
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That's one lovely coin, regardless.  The natural toning, absolutely perfect to accentuate the features. An artist couldn't have done better.
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In my opinion, PCGS and NGC, in the earlier years of their grading were all over the map with their SP and PL gradings.
Only ICCS is good for me and even they have on occassion, got one wrong.
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Thanks for sharing Paulsz. That is the nicest looking reverse of a voyageur silver dollar I have ever seen. Usually the obverse tones better....maybe the reverse side was up in the specimen case. Can't help with your question just wanted to give kudos to ya.
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Thank you for the compliments :)
De59, I was always told PCGS was the one who could distinguish specimen strikes from business ones. But yes, the older holder had me concerned
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At the next major coin show - show it to Sandy Campbell. He has handled a lot of specimen strikes over the years, and he could walk you through the coin...
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I will definitely show Sandy at the Toronto expo this fall
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The reverse certainly has the look of a Specimen Strike. The obverse , especially the rims are more in line with a circulation strike. Would certainly get an opinion from ICCS in the form of a cross grade. The study of dollars in the Canadian Series needs lots of research. The RCM used Specimen dies to strike dollars for circulation in many years , 1937 , 1939 and 1947 P7 especially come to mind. Also later Elizabeth II issues show , for the lack of a better word Hybrid finishes. One side , clearly PL in finish and the other a rather pedestrian circulation finish. 1958 comes to mind. Die steel was expensive and the RCM would strike coins from die pairs way past their normal usage. Very interesting coin , thanks for sharing with us.
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I see, Pacificoin. Never knew they used specimen dies for circulation after they had gotten beat up. That's pretty cool! You learn something new every day
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@Paulsz there are a couple of interesting books on Canadian Silver Dollars if you can find them. Both are out of print but can sometimes be found on the net or in an LCS . One is by Starr Gilmore and the other by Stephen Dushnick. Both offer interesting insights , facts and figures on the Canadian Silver Dollar Series.
Edited by Pacificoin 07/16/2016 3:44 pm
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I found Starr Gilmore's book online. To anyone interested, you just Google Starr Gilmore silver Canadian dollars and you will find the link. Will start reading it soon!
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Quote: The reverse certainly has the look of a Specimen Strike. The obverse , especially the rims are more in line with a circulation strike. I agree with Pacificoin for 2 reasons firstly because thats what it looks like, and secondly because I've read about using SP die's for circulation strikes before. I took a pretty good look around and found one for sure, perhaps two, that are the same as yours in TPG bags marked SP. Check the reeding it should either stand out from a circulation strike or match an SP strike. Usually much more pronounced and clear and high. Nice looking coin though no matter what. Just my opinion. spell edit
Edited by Alexer 07/16/2016 10:52 pm
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I found Starr Gilmore's book online. To anyone interested, you just Google Starr Gilmore silver Canadian dollars and you will find the link. Will start reading it soon!
Found it as well....Thank you!
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